intent can be proven tho... if say a murder occurs, and they find plans, emails, etc of the murder before it happened

i don't think that's needed to prove intent in a court of law

otherwise i think a lot more homicides would be tried as manslaughter cases

of course you need to prove intent in a murder case

yeah but that level of evidence isn't needed to prove intent

yeah you can prove intent in many ways... thats my point

but you wouldnt just go on faith

you still need "some" evidence

okay

how is that any different for hate speech cases

because speech itself isnt a crime

expressing an opinion isnt a crime

at least not in a liberal country

well i think we've gone in a circle

I mean whats the "intent" ... to hurt someones feelings?

should that really be arrestable?

hurting someones feelings?

to spread a message that contributes to society being less liberal ergo contributing to the violation of people's liberty

how would it be less liberal?

how do I have less liberty if someone rants on twitter about how they hate white people?

they are propagating idea that can contribute to an illiberal society

in the same way for example that the weimar republic was overtaken by quite illiberal ideas

and became illiberal as a result

and violated what liberals would consider to be liberties to an extreme extent

ok, contributing an idea... thats arrestable? so we should arrest all politicians who "contribute an idea" that might lead to something illiberal.. any communist... any conservative...

and in general, when has contributing bad ideas ever propagated... I mean even in nazi germany the whole exterminating jews thing was massively kept secret - nobody even knew what they were doing until after the war... until then it was just conspiracy theories.. until they actually got to the camps and got evidence

well it wasn't just the alleged genocide of jews that was illiberal

nazi platform was deeply illiberal

yeah... youre right, they did ban a lot of speech

granted, it wasn't the most illiberal ideology around

Basically the arab wants us to go the route of tribalism, good ole whitey over here wants EVERYONES INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS and autonomy respected, because people should be judged on their own merits and faults instead of their "tribes" merits and faults <:PepeLaugh:565528391336329216>

i haven't even said anything about what i want

And if we play the tribal game literally every race and group outside of the straight white one loses tbh <:shrug:349342983763656705>

dont think they won in zimbabwae

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i think white people have gotten into this situation because they have been barred from playing that game

I think most liberal people dont even want to play that game

Yea because as I Said they all lose

you're gonna lose if you don't

Look at that bloke who is investigating the scientific causes of differences in IQ (nature, nurture, and genetics)

If he finds genetic differences everyones afraid so the uni fired him, i'll get his name <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>