If we define by public opinion then the british are much more reactionary than what the conservatives are

Yep.

I mean yes I suppose I am one of those myself, but I don't meet many

The conservative manifesto is primarily defined by equality

Depends where you live Mokou I suppose and even then you can accidentally be in a bubble.

My local seat is Con/Libdem swing if that's any indication

But the conservative party is socially leftist so

Eh

They're not.

They're socially centrist.

And probably will trend more Conservative over the years

Promoting anal sex and homosexuality to children is pretty conservative

lol

You have some incredible views Leohte

It's not like that's not what they've done

Ones perfectly consonant with reality? I know

Yeah except they haven't.

Ok to argue it's the conservative party directly that have done these things is perhaps a stretch, but these things have largely occured in their time in office

ah yeah ... those traditionalist catholic conservatives.. all about that anal homos

Who said anything about catholics

@Mokou True but the Conservatives aren't responsible for the batshit insane teaching culture that arose under Labour and fostered in the universities. They've not had a majority until now. And tbh unpicking these things in society is hard, even for a government. It's been a social war. One that people like us are slowly winning.

when you think "sex up the bum" ... ask what would jesus do... he'd be all up in that.. says the conservative

Catholic tories? We 1690 now bois

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28

I suppose Jacob Rees Mogg doesn't exist then

@Mokou tfw you're so big brained and centrist you skip 3 hundred years

The conservatives are not defined by Mogg, and you know it

No. Just a huge section of their party followed him in rebelling against May for a long time and his views are generally agreed with by many Conservative members and voters.

I know it's all fun and edgy to pretend like you're a "real Conservative"

But hating the Jews isn't really the trump card you think it is Leohte.

>by voters

We just said that we should look at their policy from the source, not from the voter base

The conservatives have not conserved anything

Your suggestion of the tories "over time getting more conservative" which is more realistically termed "growing a fucking spine" doesn't happen without people who are 'edgy' real conservatives

You say that as if conserving everything is good.

tory party wasnt even officially formed until 1830

No the Conservative Party wasn't formed until 1830

I didnt attach a moral value to conservativism, just that conservativism, should conserve

the Tory party has existed much longer

@Mokou I mean it's been people like Jacob and Boris and Priti that have given the Conservatives a spine more so than say Sargon or anyone on this server really.

or rather, existed much earlier and was morphed into the Conservative party