Voting is literally the only thing I would always do on paper

Its not really that hard, you'd just need a few minutes delay between the actual vote taking place and them being revealed @Papa John's Day of Reckoning

But a paper system with no voter ID, absentee ballots, no way to validate your vote, and county-by-county counting seems immensely more fucked.

Safest way by far

but securing an app is not difficult

I'd like to see America have more than 2 fucking parties, it might solve your divided mentality

The problem here is your acting like paper ballots are more secure than e-votes.

paper ballots cant use biometrics to secure them

Separate the sane lefties and righties from the nutters

you guys are talking about hacking.... i think a sufficiently motivated government agency would straight up manipulate the voting results from inside the system after having actual access, just to prevent another trump lets say

Remember check fraud? There’s a reason it’s virtually non-exist at in today’s age.

you can design the app so that it cannot be modified

You can design an app with a back door entrance

imagine making an app that inputs votes and once the vote is inputted you cannot change iut

And you can bribe someone to fuck up a count

thats why you have third party organizations verify the app

Or just have incompetent counters.

@Mersenne like i said before that involves multiple people, a money trail etc
Actual evidence

Americans currently can’t verify that their ballot was cast for their candidate.

That’s the problem.

if the digital system leaves digital footprints then maybe id trust it more

you know what else has actual evidence? electronic systems. ip tracking, oauth, systems check, files checks

course bleachbit and hammers can fuck that up too

You can delete electronic data easily enough, "oops, all the evidence vanished because our servers crashed"

that would be a poorly designed app

Thats the point

Not really. Unless you secure wipe a system, they’re a mountain of digital evidence.

Even more so for interconnected systems.

if one server system crashes and deletres all your data, and you had no backups then you did something really basic, really wrong

did you know

You 2 are under the assunptions that nobody in governments are corrupt

that even apps like bleachbit do not wipe the data off fully?

Look, it’s the future. It gives us integrity we don’t currently have. And all of your concerns apply to the current voting system.

the only way to fully wipe a drive would be actual incineration

all of your concerns are applicable to the current systems

If they can kill Epstein and make up some bullshit reason, what do you think they'd do with electronic voting?

"whoops a fire started and brnt all the ballots"

as i understand it the only way to fully wipe a hard drive is to rewrite every single bit on it by force which is what bleachbit does

@Papa John's Day of Reckoning again, you need people to burn those votes

"oh i might have miscounted that 100-100 vote and thats why we got 101-99

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