you are more than welcome to go watch documentaries on the matter rather than playing this intellectually dishonest game

That's why really young humans, babies, use language as crudely as apes

But they seem to be using language, and so do apes.

language has three things associated with it, one of which is ***DISPLACEMENT***

only humans are capable of this

basically means we can talk about concepts and things that are not near us in place or time

animals cannot

according to your criteria and assuming you know all variables

NOT LANGUAGE

Then yeah, you prove apes are capable of language as they were able to speak of things not currently available in their surrounding, sign lack of certain things, need etc

so yeah, crudely, but it suggests capability of comprehension when it comes to displacement as well

again- we're in this bullshit feedback loop of the definition of a word.

Anyway, gonna go away for a bit, to either play Russian Fallout (ATOM RPG, pretty decent, to be honest) or Warframe

regardless, what was your point attempting to get at "you're not human without language" ?

gulags for disabled people?

mutes?

Mutes can still use language

break up migrants that isolate in their host nations?

depends how you define it

again- we seem to be making the rules as we go along, which is why I'm asking Japanese name to get on with their point.

> Well, it's clear that animals communicate, so your cats may communicate to you
> a little bit or chimpanzees in a zoo may clearly talk to each other in some way.
> But it's also clear that there are differences between animal communication,
> and human communication.
> Your cat, she can communicate maybe some of her needs to you,
> but you will never be able to have a full conversation with her.

> We have more signs clearly than those apes or cats.
> We have more words.
> But is that the only difference?
> Is the only difference that we have more?
> Well, obviously the answer to that question is no.
> And we're going to look at three dimensions in which language,
> human language, and animal communication are different.
> Those three dimensions are discrete infinity,
> displacement, and joint attention.
> Don't worry I'm going to explain all three of them.
> First, discrete infinity that maybe sounds a little bit complicated, but
> it's actually quite simple.
> Discrete means limited or countable.
> A discrete system is a system with a limited number of things in it.
> The alphabet is excellent example.
> English has an alphabet of 26 letters.
> That's a limited discrete set, but
> with these limited items, you can make many different words, and
> with those many different words, you can make many different sentences.
> How many?
> While I would claim infinitely many, any thought which gets into your head
> you can express, and there's infinitely many thoughts, probably.

> Now not so for animals.
> Apes also have a discreet set system of goals, just a limited number of goals,
> but they can not combine them to make more and more complicated systems.
> They only have a limited number of combinations.
> The second difference with animal communication is called displacement.
> We humans can talk about our here and now, but
> also about things far away in the past, on the moon or even
> about completely abstract things, which we have never seen and will never see.
> Most animals don't have that.
> Bees can communicate about space, because they can dance and wiggle and
> show other bees where to find their honey.
> It's a lovely system, but it's very limited.
> They can only talk about honey they have really seen.
> They cannot talk about some abstract honey on the moon, or something like that.
> And finally, there's a notion of joint attention, and shared intentionality.
> We humans work together as a team very often.
> We work as a team where we have a shared goal and
> each has their own role in achieving that goal.
> In order to be able to do that,
> it means we have to read each others minds a little bit.
> We have to see what the other person is trying to do so
> that we can help that other person in achieving that goal.
> Language helps in that.
> Language is inherently cooperative.
> But for animals this is very different.
> Some apes have joint attention, that means that they can look at the same thing and
> maybe be aware that they look at the same thing, but they don't work together in
> this very complicated way in which we humans can do so.

Again- proving my point, your criteria is lacking at best

Go on, argue with linguists about what language is, it's highly amusing to witness it.

Animals aren't going to be fighting mmo bosses anytime soon.

also- wall of text unnecessary

it is necessary because your skull is apparently thicker than Jeremy's

Apparently so thick I know how to post links to source material

but you go ahead and gamble with a cell, keep it up

the source material for this is a free online linguistics course on coursera.com from a Leiden University prof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_van_Oostendorp

so, do you want to continue this autist sperging or get on with your point?

sleep is impossible

the discussion is over, language is unique to humans, get over it

lol, that's it

@Blazing Frames (0/TooManyIdeas) sleep is necessary

you lost track of wtf you wanted to really say, exhausted from useless sperg session

i been at it for 8 hours. my brain wont shut the fuck up

@Redxl no, what I wanted to say is that language is uniquely human, and have posted a Jeremyesque TL;DR

within is reasoning as to why that is the case

the student becomes the teacher, lol