Saying viruses are not alive is like saying a bag of marbles is alive

Ooof

They grow using surrounding resources

yeah.. oooof

In biology virus fullfils one definition of life fully and one is missing key part. Both definitions of life are used.

My dad thinks it's worse than reported because of the markets

Definition of life is not very good :p

How much money is there in the entire world economy?

@𒀭𒋾𒊩𒆳 Depends on your definition of life.

Only goes to show that the definition of life is arbitrary

if this continues, you won't be able to BUY bread

Kinda "we know it when we see it"

@Seven Proxies I personally agree.

@ManAnimal good thing I don't eat bread

realize the potential danger: China has a SHITLOAD of US debt

But like I said, how much money in the world economy

IF China gets hardpressd, they can CALL IN THAT debt

USA: NO

lmao

that would send our economy ALL THE WAYS DOWN

How much of China’s debt does the US have?

What if we used self-replicating machines as an example.

Some woukd argue they're not alive.

Me personally I'd say self-replicating machines might be a next step in evolution.

China can ALSO at the same time deflate the value of the assets in the US they hold

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so all the debt comes due and your money to pay it is worth LESS

A self replicating machine isn't alive, it's a machine

so it's okay to call it living and non living really; it's mostly used as living when discussing genes and proteins, it's used as non-living for biochemistry and engineering

if you are going down ANYWAY... why not take the west with you

@OneTrueGod just like y o u

anyay

@OneTrueGod All living things are essentially machines though.

correct

My toaster does things on its own once I press the tray down, is that toaster alive? no

essences dont exist tho

but they're a good shortcut

@OneTrueGod But your toaster isn't self-replicating.

sigh* this is really an argument?

WHY does that MATTER?

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Whether the toaster is alive or not really depends on how complex it is.

Its doing something by itself that it was preset to do

it's irrelevant that's why there's no good definition of it in biology @ManAnimal