it's VERY expensive, and the hospitals are more than happy to work with you regarding payment

it's a massive issue, but not one that can't be fixe - without forcing everyone else to help pay for it

And let me guess because you don't have a credit card there for the medical bill only costed $2.99 to get taken care of for a procedure that costs thousands of dollars per treatment over the course of many months

So therefore the only reason people have expensive medical bills is because they just have a credit card even though that has no bearing on what it cost to treat your conditions

My statement about credit cards had to do with people being in unnecessary debt, not sure how/why you didn't understand that

had nothing directly to do with health are, but rather, the ability of people to pay for things

like medical bills

Because you specifically refer to it as the exclusive reason for people being in debt

No, I specifically refer to it being a reason people can't pay medical bills

Because acknowledging that the self-admitted expensive medical bills are fucking expensive would shatter your worldview

Not once have I disagreed with that notion

Every step of the way you've disagreed

they're tremendously expensive, but far less so if you ***don't use credit or insurance***

Read the part in bold

Having no money and having a credit card are not the same thing

Cover an expensive medical procedure then you can't cover the cost of the expensive medical procedure and will go into debt just to get healed

Be a fucking adult, learn how to negotiate, and make an agreement with the hospital

it's how we did things before the insurance scam

Such negotiations are out of your hands when dealing with medical procedures

They hold all the cards your bargaining posture is dubious at best

Factually incorrect, my mother and grandmother negotiated, one with Duke and the other with Sentara

Okay but can you use examples to come from reality?

CareCredit is a thing

And it's going to cost you an arm and a leg to get your arm and leg back

My family members aren't real? lol

Anyone can pull a name out of thin air and attach bullshit stories to them

People are so heavily indoctrinated they simply don't know you have the ability to negotiate with doctors

not all doctors will do it, however, it's not an absolute

nothing is

No you can try to negotiate with them you'll get laughed at and sued for wasting their time but you can try

Best case scenario a $20,000 procedure will get bumped up to say $40,000 if you pay it over the course of the rest of your life

Since they would be waiting to see that money they're obviously going to want more money for the inconvenience

people spend more than that on a car 🙄

I honestly don't want to hear it lol

Using the 1% is an example to Define what the status quo of the market is isn't very honest

There is a very good reason doctors are beginning to refuse medicare/medicaid etc.

Not exactly a strawman and I don't think it technically counts as cherry picking

the 1%?

You have lost your God damned mind

I'm literally living at poverty level

You can't honestly think everyone out there is buying Tesla's