Such negotiations are out of your hands when dealing with medical procedures

They hold all the cards your bargaining posture is dubious at best

Factually incorrect, my mother and grandmother negotiated, one with Duke and the other with Sentara

Okay but can you use examples to come from reality?

CareCredit is a thing

And it's going to cost you an arm and a leg to get your arm and leg back

My family members aren't real? lol

Anyone can pull a name out of thin air and attach bullshit stories to them

People are so heavily indoctrinated they simply don't know you have the ability to negotiate with doctors

not all doctors will do it, however, it's not an absolute

nothing is

No you can try to negotiate with them you'll get laughed at and sued for wasting their time but you can try

Best case scenario a $20,000 procedure will get bumped up to say $40,000 if you pay it over the course of the rest of your life

Since they would be waiting to see that money they're obviously going to want more money for the inconvenience

people spend more than that on a car 🙄

I honestly don't want to hear it lol

Using the 1% is an example to Define what the status quo of the market is isn't very honest

There is a very good reason doctors are beginning to refuse medicare/medicaid etc.

Not exactly a strawman and I don't think it technically counts as cherry picking

the 1%?

You have lost your God damned mind

I'm literally living at poverty level

You can't honestly think everyone out there is buying Tesla's

and I purchased a $20,000 car

it's paid for, 100$

If you were living at the poverty level and spending over 40 Grand on a car I think it's your own fault honestly

100%*

I own a business, purchased the equipment for that too

Pfffhaha

Oh so now you're not at the poverty line

This is just hilarious

owning a business and/or buying a car doesn't have a single thing to do with whether your income is considered at poverty level or not

You and a dude in a different group have made this day very entertaining

When you own a business and are hiring other people in to do the work for you you're a bit better off than the hobo across the street

And I can guarantee your income is higher than minimum wage

I don't have employees, what the actual fuck are you on about

you're reading a lot into this

I own a business as a means of fucking over the system

and as a means of going my own way

I will probably never have an employee, and I'll take advantage of ***every single*** loophole to "legally" get out of paying taxes

I say legally meaning, legal by the state's standards