Is there any reason a liberterian forum has so many commies?

Because libertarians dont ban them

This discord is shit, there shouldn't be fucking commies here

Get them the fuck out

@stinky you're forgetting that Communists/anarchists hate the government

@stinky not only that but theres like 400 people
Out of that there's only like
2 people who are still right-wing but just moderately okay with leftist ideas

And 3 actual commies

So there's actually not that many for you to complain about

<@&498708758151561226> give me enlisted role I have renounced communism based on my last poll

What caused you to renounce communism?

its foolish

one phrase:
"everyone will work to the speed of the slowest man"

If there is no room to better yourself, given enough time everyone will always work to the lowest speed to maintain their lifestyle. "For the greater good" might work to loosely guide people but it doesn't mean shit for day to day life.

What of a world in which industry was automated? if this is an argument from potential downplay of productivity

How does communism necessarily imply 'there is no room to better yourself'?

communism is inherently equality of outcome not opportunity. AKA no room to better yourself.

That isn't necessarily true

personally I only see communism as a viable end-goal, post scarcity when automation takes hold

or perhaps even without the guise of automation if incentivisation methods are used

but that devolves into what is essentially a currency in some form

so it wouldn't be communism, more like collectivist anarchism

fully automated communism isnt communism. You would name it something else, communism is outlined primarily by making people do their fair share and receive it too. Its not fixing it its just changing the subject. Running the whole country isnt a political ideology its like saying "no need to fix roads if we just make them all out of diamond" there is an end goal but with no path its useless. If we could automate everything in life we would.
How about i start the party of the dyson sphere, we are going to do that.

Communism is outlined by making people do as much as they want and taking what they want

If there was a step by step plan with tested outcomes like democratic constitutional republics (the USA) then i would be on board

Alright

Well I want to make it clear i'm not a state socialist nor a accelerationist or even a revolutionary

I'm a voluntaryist at heart and I'd like to see gradual change through market anarchism towards 'fully-automated luxury communism'

"by making people do as much as they want and taking what they want"
people inherently want to do as little as possible and take everything, thats why we are the #1 species, we are efficient and ingenuitive

Indeed, and in a fully automated world where scarcity isn't the issue we would be liberated to do so

The ultimate liberation

by the nature of reality there will always be scarcity, and in history we always grow to fill the excess either through population or industry, post scarcity is impossible

The choice to hobby what is hard to do and what is slothful, 'work' would be a concept of the past in the traditional sense but the hard working could work hard and the not so hard-working; so be it. I doubt people inherently want to do as little as possible, people have loyalties, passions.

If the rate of change of supply is greater than the rate of change of demand and we have a substantial value of supply then we have essentially achieved post-scarcity

if you can work at 0.8 speed and not get fired but if you work at 1.5 speed you gain nothing what will you choose?

i.e. : If I have 10x more chickens than humans and the rate of human consumption is Y and the rate of chicken growth is 2Y then i've achieved post scarcity

Depends on how much I care about the business

in a market socialist climate you would effectively eliminate such behaviour as the workers would be working towards their own business cause

'Worker Capitalism' in essence

there always is a limit to economic growth though, either it be political bloating or inability to communicate and trade past a interstellar distance there alwas is a limit

As i've said prior there is 'effective post-scarcity'

and i've outlied how it can be achieved

But sure, if such were the case I would be happy to contend with the previous iteration: Left wing market anarchism or some form of mutualism for the time being

not to mention people's wants are relative, today its hell if you cant have the internet or water in your home. But that would be welcome conditions compared to 500 years ago.

If you grew up with your own planet and an army of servants you will see that as the base line and want more if possible