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or perhaps even without the guise of automation if incentivisation methods are used
but that devolves into what is essentially a currency in some form
so it wouldn't be communism, more like collectivist anarchism
fully automated communism isnt communism. You would name it something else, communism is outlined primarily by making people do their fair share and receive it too. Its not fixing it its just changing the subject. Running the whole country isnt a political ideology its like saying "no need to fix roads if we just make them all out of diamond" there is an end goal but with no path its useless. If we could automate everything in life we would.
How about i start the party of the dyson sphere, we are going to do that.
Communism is outlined by making people do as much as they want and taking what they want
If there was a step by step plan with tested outcomes like democratic constitutional republics (the USA) then i would be on board
Alright
Well I want to make it clear i'm not a state socialist nor a accelerationist or even a revolutionary
I'm a voluntaryist at heart and I'd like to see gradual change through market anarchism towards 'fully-automated luxury communism'
"by making people do as much as they want and taking what they want"
people inherently want to do as little as possible and take everything, thats why we are the #1 species, we are efficient and ingenuitive
Indeed, and in a fully automated world where scarcity isn't the issue we would be liberated to do so
The ultimate liberation
by the nature of reality there will always be scarcity, and in history we always grow to fill the excess either through population or industry, post scarcity is impossible
The choice to hobby what is hard to do and what is slothful, 'work' would be a concept of the past in the traditional sense but the hard working could work hard and the not so hard-working; so be it. I doubt people inherently want to do as little as possible, people have loyalties, passions.
If the rate of change of supply is greater than the rate of change of demand and we have a substantial value of supply then we have essentially achieved post-scarcity
if you can work at 0.8 speed and not get fired but if you work at 1.5 speed you gain nothing what will you choose?
i.e. : If I have 10x more chickens than humans and the rate of human consumption is Y and the rate of chicken growth is 2Y then i've achieved post scarcity
Depends on how much I care about the business
in a market socialist climate you would effectively eliminate such behaviour as the workers would be working towards their own business cause
'Worker Capitalism' in essence
there always is a limit to economic growth though, either it be political bloating or inability to communicate and trade past a interstellar distance there alwas is a limit
As i've said prior there is 'effective post-scarcity'
and i've outlied how it can be achieved
But sure, if such were the case I would be happy to contend with the previous iteration: Left wing market anarchism or some form of mutualism for the time being
not to mention people's wants are relative, today its hell if you cant have the internet or water in your home. But that would be welcome conditions compared to 500 years ago.
If you grew up with your own planet and an army of servants you will see that as the base line and want more if possible
Sure, but a lot of these needs can be quantified under a capitalist mindset
actually this video explains it very well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kt7883oTd0
If certain goods are simply status objects and status disappears wouldn't the demand for the goods also disappear?
if you grow up with a baseline and that is always how you lived your life you will see yourself as impoverished if you fall below that
We are currently already producing 1.5x the world populations demand in food supplies
but then again if you can own planets and armies, then would scarcity be an issue at that point?
(Side note: Isaac arthur makes some cool vids, shame I haven't seen a lot of them, I'll check this one out)
my point on that is that people always want more, if you have "planets and armies" of your own that is the base line, there is no loose extra resources that just sit there unused, they are used by those with the means to produce or collect them. that extra .5 food is being used by the people with the means to make it. If you take it and give it to people without, the people who produced it will stop because it does not benefit them. Its like saying "you can pump water for yourself but if you try pump more to fill your pool we will take it and give it away" why would you try fill your pool to no avail? its a waste of time so you wont pump it, now that extra 0.5 has gone *poof*
it no longer exists
"the problem with communism is eventually you run out of other people's money"
Right, I acknowledge that the system cannot be transformed viably until every resource reaches post-scarcity
but it cant, there are no extra resources not being used, even if wastefully we only make what we want at that moment
Of course there are: *looks to space*
plus most of the issues are labor related with labor costs and efficiency
the machines arent going to make massive stockpiles to never be touched again they will use them to make more machines and infostructure