Message from @SYDWAD

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2019-07-21 11:40:54 UTC  

*laissez faire* communism 😂 workplaces simply starting their means of production because they simply want to produce the product of their desire

2019-07-21 11:41:14 UTC  

I kid when I say 3 ways, in reality there are many ways

2019-07-21 11:41:30 UTC  

that involve central planning, decentralised planning, human interaction, ai involvement, mixed, etc.

2019-07-21 11:41:56 UTC  

The point is it can exist without a government and I think what you're concerned with is a state, and it can exist without a coercive state

2019-07-21 11:42:03 UTC  

thats still just a government, a form of overarching governance

2019-07-21 11:42:21 UTC  

How well do you know Ancapism

2019-07-21 11:42:28 UTC  

i mean if you define a government as any kind of administrative apparatus then sure

2019-07-21 11:42:28 UTC  

is Ancapism necessarily anti-government?

2019-07-21 11:43:19 UTC  

but in that case a society without a government is impossible

2019-07-21 11:43:21 UTC  

Ancap has been anti-*state* with the most die hard wanting decentralisation of public goods through private businesses

2019-07-21 11:43:40 UTC  

however ancaps haven't been against the concept of governance

2019-07-21 11:43:47 UTC  

most i know is a perosn telling me it was the same as ancapitalisum with a general public idea keeping things equal through something

2019-07-21 11:43:49 UTC  

hence why you see voluntaryist governance advocates

2019-07-21 11:44:02 UTC  

No

2019-07-21 11:44:16 UTC  

I claim that you may be conflating state and government

2019-07-21 11:44:23 UTC  

and that government is simply a service provider

2019-07-21 11:44:33 UTC  

whilst a state is a government that is coercive in nature

2019-07-21 11:45:05 UTC  

some ancaps take it further wanting the decentralisation of this service provider so that it can get the benefits of free market competition

2019-07-21 11:45:15 UTC  

and so that it's power isn't centralised

2019-07-21 11:45:34 UTC  

and voting with bux means no voting with ballot so you have companies

2019-07-21 11:45:36 UTC  

actually can you screen cap this for tomorrow? we've been at this for almost two hours, its almost 5am and i actually cant see straight

2019-07-21 11:45:55 UTC  

Sure, how much would you like me to screen cap?

2019-07-21 11:46:10 UTC  

after "3 ways"

2019-07-21 11:46:58 UTC  

.

2019-07-21 11:47:23 UTC  

alright well cya later mate

2019-07-21 11:47:54 UTC  

if you ever want to continue just tag me

2019-07-21 12:35:09 UTC  

Communists commentating on anarcho-capitalism is always infuriating

2019-07-21 12:35:25 UTC  

Its always just strawman and smear campaigns

2019-07-21 12:35:38 UTC  

“Hey look at this rothbard quote taken out of context from the 70s.”

2019-07-21 12:35:50 UTC  

Those wacky pedo rapist murderer right wingers am I right

2019-07-21 12:36:13 UTC  

Lets just forget the very real, albeit exaggerated, rapes by the red army of children and women in Germany

2019-07-21 12:36:55 UTC  

Or the very real failures of any and all ancoms

2019-07-21 12:37:42 UTC  

Or how the age of consent in China is and has been for a long time like 14

2019-07-21 13:01:55 UTC  

countries having rapists and claiming to be socialist or communist at the same time isnt an epic own of the commies

2019-07-21 13:32:21 UTC  

I'm not sure what kind of own that is

2019-07-21 13:36:11 UTC  

Do you still think China is communist or something? @CTeso

2019-07-21 13:37:13 UTC  

China is communist and has been since Mao

2019-07-21 13:37:23 UTC  

Socialism with chinese characteristics was necessary

2019-07-21 13:37:41 UTC  

It was to save the country from collapse and help to build the means of production for a smooth transition to socialism

2019-07-21 13:37:42 UTC  

Well I would like to know where the communism is in that society

2019-07-21 13:37:52 UTC  

The idealism