Message from @Praeceptor

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2018-10-15 01:58:53 UTC  

I'm not a dumb faggot

2018-10-15 01:59:22 UTC  

I'd say I kinda have above average intelligence 🤔

2018-10-15 02:56:30 UTC  

Well, he eventually sank Germany into more shit than it already was in after WW1.

2018-10-15 02:57:22 UTC  

There was that thing, uh... Night of The Long Knives or something, in which supposed "traitors" got hunted down and executed.

2018-10-15 02:58:08 UTC  

But in the end the people who were punished were those trying to save the country from falling apart into a losing war by withdrawing from it.

2018-10-15 02:59:33 UTC  

But that didn't happen and the Red Army had to march all the way into the Reichstag.

2018-10-15 03:00:20 UTC  

One would've figured that as soon as places like Dresden were under attack and civilians were dying left and right, it'd be time to hang the towel.

2018-10-15 03:01:32 UTC  

Hitler might've had good intentions in the beginning, I can't really say much about that, but at the end he was pretty much the central figure involved in Germany's defeat and consequent punishment.

2018-10-15 04:14:41 UTC  

what towel? even the brits already wanted unconditional surrender, and the soviets were bloodthirsty to the end. hitler and the germans had only one option left: die fighting for germany, even though all was lost

2018-10-15 05:25:54 UTC  

Well, we can see how well that worked out when Hitler is the most known "evil" man in history and an once prideful (sometimes a bit too much) group is now associated to internet edgelords who think saying "fuck niggers" is the ultimate expression of National Socialism.

2018-10-15 05:26:37 UTC  

All in all, better to surrender while there's still a country to surrender and then gather forces, than to put them all to waste fighting until the end for a man that shot himself in a bunker.

2018-10-15 05:26:57 UTC  

One step back to give two steps forward.

2018-10-15 05:29:05 UTC  

Honestly, it's kinda hard to not think of people being bloodthirsty and hateful in a war. That's the effect of propaganda in people's minds, often being an overexaggeration of reality for the sake of "morale" to the country.

2018-10-15 05:29:34 UTC  

"hurr dun let d evil ugly soviet soldier raep ur wamen fit 4 her"

2018-10-15 05:30:29 UTC  

And then boom, one side is Saint Saintus the Holy Saint and the other is Lucifer Devil Satan Senior.

2018-10-15 05:32:41 UTC  

And I'll probably get something like "so ur sayin they wuz all angelz", which would actually be bullshit. I'm just saying propaganda didn't earn its name for giving people the raw unaltered truth.

2018-10-15 05:48:33 UTC  

you don't understand: once the tide was reversed, there was no "surrendering". there was no "aight lets end this fight, ill give you guys some stuff and let us keep our country". it was total war, it would only end with occupation. now, whether allied propaganda managed to completely change his image or not is a whole different thing. what we're talking about is that, once the war had begun, and especially after the setback in late 41 and early 42, there wasn't any "hanging the towel".

2018-10-15 05:51:16 UTC  

and in fact, the soviets were not only amped up by the conveniently-now-nationalistic propaganda, but also by having so many of their own killed. they wanted revenge, and that's natural. the point is that there was absolutely no room for this idea that "hitler should have sued for peace"

2018-10-15 05:54:39 UTC  

When one side surrenders, the fight is over.

2018-10-15 05:54:58 UTC  

lmao

2018-10-15 05:55:15 UTC  

yeah, let's surrender and let them kill us in war camps like it happened

2018-10-15 05:55:21 UTC  

let's surrender and be sent to gulags

2018-10-15 05:55:25 UTC  

and have our women raped

2018-10-15 05:56:31 UTC  

at least the europeans of then that fought to the end managed to keep their pride. what was left wasn't germany, isn't, and it's to be forgotten

2018-10-15 05:57:34 UTC  

Ah yes, nothing like a dead man's pride.

2018-10-15 05:57:48 UTC  

truly ain't

2018-10-15 05:57:49 UTC  

We should probably use that to heal the world.

2018-10-15 05:58:14 UTC  

nah, let's pretend our cowardice is being "rational" and "pragmatic"

2018-10-15 05:58:40 UTC  

Because living to fight another day is overrated.

2018-10-15 05:59:46 UTC  

>living to fight another day after the greatest conflict the world has ever seen, with your country obviously doomed to occupation and castration
are you thick or something, my man

2018-10-15 06:00:11 UTC  

do you think that any german soldier of the wehrmacht would have had a chance of "fighting another day"?

2018-10-15 06:00:27 UTC  

Just thinking more than about myself and instant gratification.

2018-10-15 06:00:49 UTC  

yeah, i'll take my dead pride over a living meek pragmatism any day

2018-10-15 06:00:57 UTC  

Wives lost husbands to that pride bullshit. Children lost fathers.

2018-10-15 06:01:17 UTC  

Both would say "fuck it, I want him back in my life".

2018-10-15 06:01:35 UTC  

there are things more important than happiness

2018-10-15 06:01:51 UTC  

such as this alien concept to you, pride

2018-10-15 06:01:53 UTC  

honor

2018-10-15 06:02:04 UTC  

Nothing is more important than happiness, because that is the ultimate goal of man.

2018-10-15 06:02:14 UTC  

wrong, hedonist

2018-10-15 06:02:19 UTC  

A miserable life is worth nothing.