the delivery definitely a part of it but im not opposed to the style of delivery entirely

I like the death church album

something about that kind of writing drives me insane

@steamboating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3KNj1U8iZM listen to this

but i have never liked punk, musically flipper has some cool ideas and like yo usay quite influential/innovative

ideas as in the sounds and style they have

I feel the same way about mudhoney

Influential but bored me

this shit is hard

Yeah i like flipper but I can see why people dont like them. Just because youre bad on purpose doesnt excuse you for making bad music

Definitely not my favorite band

damn

they aren't bad on purpose what are you talking about lol

what does that even mean?

yeah i dunno that thats a good description of it

maybe un-polished?

so because something you listen is too loud and abrasive it's bad on purpose

this conversation is going nowhere

you don't get noise rock

do you like boris rusty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyTIaV5PKSM

@steamboating I haven't listened to them

but I like weird Japanese bands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx2LgrwXxAc

Rusty listen to their old stuff. They were originally hardcore punk and nothing else and then they realized there were a million bands just like them. In order to stand out they changed their sound to something similar but worse

Lol you mean Les rallizes denudes

the part at like 9:30 is always mindblowing sludgy droney

simply epic

@Deleted User I don't think it's worse but music is subjective

so whatever

you should listen to the whole thing if you have time, idk how much you like that kinda thing

The beastie boys were a failing hardcore punk band who went to rap instead

I am listening steam

yeah the beasties boys sucked as a hardcore group

also black flag started as hardcore and become more experiential overtime as they realized how limiting the genre is

they released a spoken word album at one point

lol

https://youtu.be/LJvvxEs1_pE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyb1xz7waY8

i heard that henry rollins joint about dads

nigga looks like he on crack