well I mean, everyone starts with Python, a lot of people end with Python- don't trick yourself into thinking Python is a beginner's language though- it's not. It depends on what you're making. when beginners use Python, they're likely using a very small and very simple fraction of it's capabilities- there's far more you could end up working with depending on what you make.

oh yeah

and don't use Atom editor

it's for people with severe brain damage

Atom is gross.

Very slow.

VS Code is cool but still Electron-based (another reason why I hate Discord lmao), I'd recommend Geany but it's linux-only

all Electron developers must be eradicated under the holy order of the C++ emperor

vscode performance is amazing considering its electron. and i have a few hundred MB of ram to spare

yeah, VS code isn't entirely electron so that's probably why

What's electron?

electron makes it easy to make junk that runs like shit

Electron is a web browser without the URL bar and with NodeJS built in

aka Chromium Embedded Framework revised

its for making nice sleek desktop GUI programs using the same programming frameworks used in making fancy web apps

Electron is literally just your program, but running inside a Chrome browser that can't go on websites.

It's ridiculously slow.

it _can_ be super slow, you have to be careful how you code the apps

and most people using it are probably noobs who have no idea how javascript actually performs under the hood

That'd be me 😛

atom is a bad example, the Slack desktop app used to be, and VSCode is a very good example

if you're still confused on what Electron is, if you hit CTRL+SHIFT+I in Discord, click the Console tab and type in `window.location.href = "google.com"` then your Discord will immediately transform into Google because the entire Discord app is a joke and only exists to do push to talk (notifications and whatnot could still be done in the web browser, they just don't want to enable it to force you to use this junk)

lmao they left in developer tools in the release? WHY

Wow...

oh, you'll also notice that CTRL+SHIFT+I in Discord brings up the same inspect element developer tools window as your web browser does

don't touch it though

Before I try this how do I undo it?

there's a close button in the top right, only click that

^

you don't want to mess with the developer console because you'll get HIV.js

kek

Got it. Just tried it. Looks interesting. No idea what any of it means. Left it the hell alone

I once saw a calculator, a fucking calculator, made in Electron- like, it had even less features than the calculator built into Windows, like why

lmao

amazing

why would anyone want a calculator that uses a literal gigabyte of RAM

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i can't post images, but if I could, I'd show you a screenshot of my task manager right now where Discord is using literally 1.3 GB of RAM

1.3 GB

for a chat client

like i said ... most people building these apps, have no idea about performance