jalopnik is independent though

According to consumer reports the Toyota 86 is the most reliable new car you can buy in the US.

they're the best

that wouldn't surprise me

low power, rwd, simple

?

Wait

Hold up

Last i looked they called it shit

Fun, but shit

I mean I just linked the consumer reports listing that you said you used as a reference yourself last year.

It's right there.

On my phone. Doesnt like opening links

Man that must be an old phone.

Nah. Just slow

2017 J3

Every phone I've used in the last 8 years has opened links fine.

Technically it does. But it is a little slow under the best circumstances

most complaints about the gt86 I've seen come down to it not having enough power because a lot of people don't seem to understand that it's a car sort of in the same bracket as the MX5 - it's a driving experience car, not a speed car

With shit internet it is worse

Well I would upload an image instead if I could, but only links are allowed.

and don't get me wrong, I wouldn't buy one because I'd like it to be faster, or if I were to buy one I'd also be immediately buying forced induction for it

The gt86 needs a supercharged uplevel version

Badly

but I also won't complain about it being as it is, only that they don't also offer a forced induction option from the factory

And the brz needs a high revving 2.5L

I think forced induction would solve any power issues with the car

For the 86 yes

it's the same car

Well yeah.

But why buy the brz if the 86 is the same all the way down to the engine?

because the brz is usually cheaper

Plus a turbo brz might mess with the wrx

at least here, subaru seem to apply builders discount to the car

so it's like 2k cheaper than from toyota

despite being identical aside from aesthetics

Not sure if they do that here. Never considered buying one so i havent looked

If they do, them alright

Toyota still needs to do something if they want to sell theirs tho

toyota don't seem interested in selling them honestly

And if subaru is gonna do tit for tat, they shouldnt use the same strategy. In part because it would encroach on the wrx