Message from @LordCaledus

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2018-08-06 20:47:56 UTC  

BAD AZZ

2018-08-06 21:00:09 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420834207590514690/476132393984720916/20170828_165207_HDR-picsay.jpg

2018-08-06 21:08:04 UTC  

Beautiful Honda accord

2018-08-06 21:10:04 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420834207590514690/476134893601030184/20180806_160834.jpg

2018-08-06 21:10:12 UTC  

My car is literally retarded

2018-08-06 21:11:19 UTC  

-40?

2018-08-06 21:11:36 UTC  

Its 96 degrees right now

2018-08-06 21:11:46 UTC  

I wish it were -40 here.

2018-08-06 21:15:51 UTC  

xD

2018-08-06 22:35:32 UTC  

Interesting youtube comment on Tesla and their attempts to throw off the "dealership shackles," as it were.

2018-08-06 22:35:36 UTC  

"Building cars isn't nearly as big a problem for them as delivering them and servicing them. They thought that other automakers were pissing away a big chunk of markup by selling wholesale to franchised dealerships. They were wrong.

When Toyota dumps several million cars on dealerships at the beginning of the model year, they become the dealership's problem. The cars go on trucks that are filled to capacity and only going to one place, which is by far more efficient than delivering cars to customers one by one, straight from the factory (which also means that they have to be PDI'd at the factory), Toyota gets paid and aside from the end of the year when they offer incentives to move the last remaining models, they are free and clear of them.

When the warranty claims come (and Tesla has more than double the national average in both frequency and dollars, BTW), any dealership, anywhere can handle them, Toyota doesn't need to arrange transport for an entire car to some service center that might be a couple states away that Tesla both paid to build and pays to keep open. Toyota just has to pay the dealership for it's labor, reimburse them for parts they already sold to them at a markup, and that's it. Tesla's business model is fundamentally flawed, cars are not iPhones, and Elon still has yet to admit that to himself."

2018-08-06 22:35:51 UTC  

I'm not saying this is correct necessarily. But it's an angle I hadn't thought of previously.

2018-08-06 22:36:30 UTC  

Until now, I only thought that trying to break the stupid dealership requirements many states have was the one thing Tesla was doing right. I'm not convinced otherwise yet, but this is interesting.

2018-08-06 22:38:20 UTC  

do you like the idea of having your car needing to be ferried off to specialists?

2018-08-06 22:38:52 UTC  

my friend has a ferrari 812, he took delivery with the seat damaged and now has to wait 2 months for a specialist to come and repair it

2018-08-06 22:39:00 UTC  

now that's one thing for cars like ferrari

2018-08-06 22:39:26 UTC  

but do you really think it's gonna be a good plan for a daily use car?

2018-08-06 22:39:36 UTC  

Well no.

2018-08-06 22:39:46 UTC  

Which is why I am changing my mind on the matter after hearing this angle

2018-08-06 22:40:55 UTC  

Previously my main thoughts on the issue were of the price markup from having to buy the car from a third party, who in turn buys the car from the actual automaker.

2018-08-06 22:41:08 UTC  

But of course, duh, that's what retail stores do, too

2018-08-06 22:41:12 UTC  

And for the same reasons.

2018-08-06 22:41:28 UTC  

This is eye opening for me. Hmmm

2018-08-06 22:41:49 UTC  

Because having every manufacturer of goods maintain their own storefront would be prohibitively expensive.

2018-08-06 22:42:00 UTC  

Which is why dealerships exist in the first place

2018-08-06 22:42:35 UTC  

Because paying a hundred dealerships to sell your cars is far cheaper than operating even half that many stores yourself.

2018-08-06 22:42:44 UTC  

Well, it's also state law in a lot of places to have dealerships

2018-08-06 22:42:54 UTC  

That, I think, is stupid

2018-08-06 22:43:08 UTC  

But clearly Tesla was wrong in thinking they had some revolutionary idea there.

2018-08-06 22:43:22 UTC  

the comment is right, musk seems to want a closed platform like apple have, the difference is apple devices don't have significant lifespan post warranty period and even apple are getting a little fucked regarding their lack of support to others

2018-08-06 22:43:23 UTC  

Imagine my shock, another "revolutionary idea" from Tesla turned out to be pure autism.

2018-08-06 22:44:14 UTC  

Right. Even ignoring that, as AnCap has pointed out before, actively seeking out any sort of monopoly is kind of a bad idea.

2018-08-06 22:44:23 UTC  

Monopolies are super inefficient and unsustainable.

2018-08-06 22:45:32 UTC  

In any case, learned something new today: Tesla is even dumber than I thought.

2018-08-06 22:45:47 UTC  

well not really, monopolies are great, for the company with the monopoly

2018-08-06 22:45:54 UTC  

they suck for consumers

2018-08-06 22:45:55 UTC  

No, it's not

2018-08-06 22:46:50 UTC  

They're *hyper* efficient, to the point where their own production then ramps down to meet the demand, which lowers their overall output, leading to a feedback loop in which the company is having a price war with itself

2018-08-06 22:47:42 UTC  

that definitely isn't how monopolies tend to work

2018-08-06 22:48:02 UTC  

Yes, it is, but we haven't seen an actual monoply in over a century