@Broo TulsiGang 2024 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 i'm scared of those lol all the cool ones are apparnetly nightmares to own

except the new wagon

I'm not really sure what the negativity over jags is about, I and my family have had loads of them over the years and none have been any more or less problematic than anything else

rust is a genuine issue up until... well I guess the very recent ones

anything before the modern stype was a rust issue if it wasn't looked after

@LOGiK Here in the states, they're infamous for electrical problems that cause them to be written off as 'salvage' by the insurance company and sold for pennies on the dollar.

You can't even give them away.

I wonder if that's due to a vicious circle; people assume they suck because of historical issues, the value is degraded, the people who buy them are then the kind of people less likely to look after them which results in more issues with them

I don't think insurance has much to do with writing cars off for faults though, insurance only applies in the event of an accident, a car failing because of a fault wouldn't end up going through insurance

they are known for v12s and those will have higher maintenance costs just because there are more parts to go bad

if you want an old xj, why would you be interested in the i6 when you coupd get a v12

so all the enthusiasts end up with v12s and end up dealing with them haha

jaguar haven't made a v12 in like 20 years

and if you do go 20 years back, all English cars was 100% shite from all the infighting between the workers and owners of the car companies

the xj40 and x300 were fine imo

rust was the issue really, I had an xj40 with 300k on it though

it got killed by someone driving into it while it was parked, sad really

the early transition to the v8 in like 97 was iffy because of the dumb nikasil liners and awful chain tensioners

but ultimately all the jags except two that I've dealt with were fine, just regular oil changes and a few bits and pieces they seem to go forever

idk, maybe it's just the exported ones. You can find them all over Craigslist for super cheap, and a laundry list of issues mostly related to wiring

the v12 was horribly cramped in most applications though and certainly overheated in the xjs

plus the v12 was a suffocated engine in design

@Fitzydog the problem is that if they're on craigslist they've probably already been owned by 2-4 people who did 0 maintenance

You don't maintain wiring though.

no premium cars do well without any attention at all, that's what camrys are for

I'm talking dead dashboards, windows that don't work, tons of error codes that are unfixable, etc

and you sort of do, you don't expose cars to moisture, if a switch isn't working right you replace it, not ignore it

Camrys have a higher resale value than Jags do around here

"unfixable" what

I don't think there is any error code that cannot be resolved

Yeah, maybe after a few thousand dollars worth of sensors

almost anything can be fixed, it is if you are willing to pay for it

there are problems that aren't realistic to fix, severe structural damage for instance

but those aren't gonna show over obd

as for windows not working, it takes like 45 minutes to replace a switch and a motor, but again most people just ignore that stuff and sell

hence neglect

idk, I'm just relaying what I know. For the same issues between a Jaguar and a Lexus, you're going to shell out 5x as much money for the Jag.

At least in the US

have you owned both to come to that figure

I've owned lexuses

And I know people who were unfortunate to own a Jaguar

After several thousand dollars *a year* just to keep them running, they gave up.

I on the other hand could use off the shelf Toyota parts and do the maintenance in my driveway.