Message from McNukes in /r/SargonOfAkkad (Sparta) #politics-free-for-all


2017-11-06 22:31:31 UTC  

Well you're wrong Dr

2017-11-06 22:34:34 UTC  

I don't want to be a race realist, yet I see how different areas of the world progress so vastly differently, yet at the same time, I see that it could largely be because of environment.

I don't know. However it is, I just try to treat everyone chill

2017-11-06 22:34:49 UTC  

look

2017-11-06 22:34:53 UTC  

don't be a dick

2017-11-06 22:34:57 UTC  

that's the golden rule

2017-11-06 22:35:01 UTC  

^

2017-11-06 22:35:09 UTC  

There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that races have genetic differences

2017-11-06 22:35:14 UTC  

That is race realism

2017-11-06 22:35:18 UTC  

if you believe it or not, it's irrelevant

2017-11-06 22:35:26 UTC  

and i guess that's the problem here

2017-11-06 22:35:27 UTC  

No value judgments need come from it necessarily

2017-11-06 22:35:50 UTC  

Is vs Ought anyone?

2017-11-06 22:35:59 UTC  

what?

2017-11-06 22:36:35 UTC  

@Fulcrum010 How things are vs how things ought to be

2017-11-06 22:36:37 UTC  

The issues with race realism seem to be policy implications etc

2017-11-06 22:36:43 UTC  

oh, got it

2017-11-06 22:36:51 UTC  

never heard it like this before

2017-11-06 22:36:53 UTC  

Irrelevant to the truth of the observation of racial differences

2017-11-06 22:37:48 UTC  

That's pretty much where the arguments about race realism come from.

2017-11-06 22:38:35 UTC  

How is that the same thing as white nationalism? (Ought)

2017-11-06 22:39:31 UTC  

Depends on what kind of white nationalist you're talking about

2017-11-06 22:40:28 UTC  

Not really

2017-11-06 22:40:41 UTC  

The whitish nationalist-ish kind

2017-11-06 22:40:48 UTC  

There's the "keep white nations white via implying the law and kicking out illegal non-white" white nationalists and the "Ethno state" white nationalists.

2017-11-06 22:41:10 UTC  

Neither of those necessarily follows race realism

2017-11-06 22:41:21 UTC  

And I don't see the distinction really

2017-11-06 22:41:30 UTC  

But race realism can lead to it

2017-11-06 22:41:32 UTC  

It's a half step

2017-11-06 22:41:40 UTC  

Slippery slope huh?

2017-11-06 22:41:46 UTC  

Slorp

2017-11-06 22:41:51 UTC  

yeah

2017-11-06 22:42:02 UTC  

not saying it's true for every race-realist though

2017-11-06 22:42:22 UTC  

Well can we recognize that we are intelligent adults who won't automatically fall down that slope?

2017-11-06 22:42:36 UTC  

So we can actually acknowledge reality

2017-11-06 22:42:46 UTC  

Intelligent adults? Nowadays?

2017-11-06 22:42:54 UTC  

Yes, you can

2017-11-06 22:43:18 UTC  

So conflating race realism with ethnonationalism is unproductive

2017-11-06 22:43:40 UTC  

It only fuels extremism on both sides

2017-11-06 22:43:48 UTC  

Yes

2017-11-06 22:44:07 UTC  

And i will admit, I am guilty of conflating these at one point

2017-11-06 22:44:47 UTC  

> They're the same thing, imo