Message from @Apotheosis
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I'm just not sure if he's truly followed through with the implications of what he says
he?
Jordan Peterson. I'd expect Sargon fans to be aware of him
Jordan Peterson uses our natural biological urges as a lense through which to see why people don't mesh with acting in the PC way.
I'm not sure he advocates biologicalism just points out that trying to socially engineer people to act a different way than is natural is a bad idea.
Well, I believe he does hold that IQ is partially heritable
and that social hierarchies are based on principles, that those who embody those ideals reach the top, and those near the top are more likely to reproduce and survive
I'm connecting some of the dots though
surely some cultures cannot be developed or adopted by a group of people of just any IQ
and that personality surely affects ones values
openness, conscientiousness, extravertedness, agreeableness, neuroticism
You're interpretting IQ very interestingly here
IQ hasn't really changed for humans for the entirety of history
IQ is a proxy for G, general intelligence
Just the ability to maximise its use
are you sure about that?
Well of course it doesn't change a 100 IQ is fixed to the avrage
Completely, unless you want to go back to pre-human beings
how about pre-history? in our evolutionary development, surely our G factor increased from our ape-like ancestors
as soon as we became "human," we all stopped?
different environments caused a divergence of development in human beings
it would be surprising if everyone's IQ ended up being the same through their long period of separated development
Oh there's probably divergence
different environments resulted in different challenges to survival and different optimal social orders
but not enough to matter
resulting in different cultures
IQ is best considered on an individual basis really
does anyone have data on racial iq diffrences over time?
I disagree. Groups behave a bit more deterministically based on IQ
over recent history, maybe
Well let me ask you a question
look up the Flynn effect
Is IQ all that matters to a society's direction and decisions?
nope
no, I think personality is a factor as well
as well as a host of other things, like the historical narrative and philosophy which may form the basis of those decisions
however those two not necessarily independent of those traits
Yeah so they are factors
But how big a factor?
well, for example, Asians have higher IQ than Caucasians, but they are likely more collectivist due to a personality difference