Message from @Apotheosis

Discord ID: 401632614663847936


2018-01-13 06:54:32 UTC  

I'm just not sure if he's truly followed through with the implications of what he says

2018-01-13 06:55:12 UTC  

he?

2018-01-13 06:56:02 UTC  

Jordan Peterson. I'd expect Sargon fans to be aware of him

2018-01-13 06:57:10 UTC  

Jordan Peterson uses our natural biological urges as a lense through which to see why people don't mesh with acting in the PC way.

2018-01-13 06:58:07 UTC  

I'm not sure he advocates biologicalism just points out that trying to socially engineer people to act a different way than is natural is a bad idea.

2018-01-13 06:58:53 UTC  

Well, I believe he does hold that IQ is partially heritable

2018-01-13 06:59:40 UTC  

and that social hierarchies are based on principles, that those who embody those ideals reach the top, and those near the top are more likely to reproduce and survive

2018-01-13 06:59:59 UTC  

I'm connecting some of the dots though

2018-01-13 07:00:24 UTC  

surely some cultures cannot be developed or adopted by a group of people of just any IQ

2018-01-13 07:00:42 UTC  

and that personality surely affects ones values

2018-01-13 07:01:31 UTC  

openness, conscientiousness, extravertedness, agreeableness, neuroticism

2018-01-13 07:02:01 UTC  

You're interpretting IQ very interestingly here

2018-01-13 07:02:26 UTC  

IQ hasn't really changed for humans for the entirety of history

2018-01-13 07:02:32 UTC  

IQ is a proxy for G, general intelligence

2018-01-13 07:02:39 UTC  

Just the ability to maximise its use

2018-01-13 07:02:59 UTC  

are you sure about that?

2018-01-13 07:03:09 UTC  

Well of course it doesn't change a 100 IQ is fixed to the avrage

2018-01-13 07:03:19 UTC  

Completely, unless you want to go back to pre-human beings

2018-01-13 07:03:37 UTC  

how about pre-history? in our evolutionary development, surely our G factor increased from our ape-like ancestors

2018-01-13 07:04:00 UTC  

as soon as we became "human," we all stopped?

2018-01-13 07:04:37 UTC  

what of the difference in IQ after the divergence of the races?

2018-01-13 07:06:34 UTC  

different environments caused a divergence of development in human beings

2018-01-13 07:07:09 UTC  

it would be surprising if everyone's IQ ended up being the same through their long period of separated development

2018-01-13 07:07:58 UTC  

Oh there's probably divergence

2018-01-13 07:08:00 UTC  

different environments resulted in different challenges to survival and different optimal social orders

2018-01-13 07:08:06 UTC  

but not enough to matter

2018-01-13 07:08:10 UTC  

resulting in different cultures

2018-01-13 07:08:53 UTC  

IQ is best considered on an individual basis really

2018-01-13 07:10:19 UTC  

does anyone have data on racial iq diffrences over time?

2018-01-13 07:10:21 UTC  

I disagree. Groups behave a bit more deterministically based on IQ

2018-01-13 07:10:59 UTC  

over recent history, maybe

2018-01-13 07:11:04 UTC  

Well let me ask you a question

2018-01-13 07:11:07 UTC  

look up the Flynn effect

2018-01-13 07:11:23 UTC  

Is IQ all that matters to a society's direction and decisions?

2018-01-13 07:11:44 UTC  

nope

2018-01-13 07:11:51 UTC  

no, I think personality is a factor as well

2018-01-13 07:13:07 UTC  

as well as a host of other things, like the historical narrative and philosophy which may form the basis of those decisions

2018-01-13 07:13:28 UTC  

however those two not necessarily independent of those traits

2018-01-13 07:14:12 UTC  

Yeah so they are factors

2018-01-13 07:14:20 UTC  

But how big a factor?

2018-01-13 07:14:47 UTC  

well, for example, Asians have higher IQ than Caucasians, but they are likely more collectivist due to a personality difference