Message from @zoopokemon
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A completely descriptive morality based on evolution
bypassing the is/ought problem
probably well out of my ballpark then, I'm gonna fuck off
and also reframing our idea of "individualism"
So you are trying to create a morality based on the evolutionary preferences of humans?
yeah basically
I wouldn't say "create" but yeah
Discover perhaps then
derive from evolutionary principles
theory, rather
@Apotheosis so what do you think would happen in the hypothetical I propose?
Well I would ask you two things:
1. Is it practicable? would this morality actually be able to hold sway against those created by society rather than theory?
2. Is it intended to be so? because its always interesting to muse on things but replacing the individual morality of all the people in society is nigh impossible. You can at best manipulate it.
I think it is "practicable" in the sense that it can provide a better perspective on moral issues especially to handle moral "relativism" between groups, to justify and work with our tribalistic tendencies
as for replacing people's morality... I think it may instead reframe and complete the moral conceptions of others
to understand our moral instincts and intuitions
Okay, I think I understand it a bit better now. Well I hope you're writing your thoughts down somewhere other than here, it might be something worth posting somewhere.
yeah I'm just bouncing ideas of off people
seeing what holds water
but a lot of this system is based on what Jordan Peterson says
I'm just not sure if he's truly followed through with the implications of what he says
Jordan Peterson. I'd expect Sargon fans to be aware of him
Jordan Peterson uses our natural biological urges as a lense through which to see why people don't mesh with acting in the PC way.
I'm not sure he advocates biologicalism just points out that trying to socially engineer people to act a different way than is natural is a bad idea.
Well, I believe he does hold that IQ is partially heritable
and that social hierarchies are based on principles, that those who embody those ideals reach the top, and those near the top are more likely to reproduce and survive
I'm connecting some of the dots though
surely some cultures cannot be developed or adopted by a group of people of just any IQ
and that personality surely affects ones values
openness, conscientiousness, extravertedness, agreeableness, neuroticism
You're interpretting IQ very interestingly here
IQ hasn't really changed for humans for the entirety of history
IQ is a proxy for G, general intelligence
Just the ability to maximise its use
are you sure about that?
Well of course it doesn't change a 100 IQ is fixed to the avrage
Completely, unless you want to go back to pre-human beings
how about pre-history? in our evolutionary development, surely our G factor increased from our ape-like ancestors
as soon as we became "human," we all stopped?
what of the difference in IQ after the divergence of the races?
different environments caused a divergence of development in human beings