Message from @Ctrlaltlama
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Just join a moderate party
I guess it will be much better
agreed
moderate parties are against free speech
And easier to convince people
Just go for some anti-mig party lmao
mm. If you're young, focus on getting experience and your feet wet first
All moderate parties in Belgium are toxic , socialistic and corrupt as hell
things can change very quickly in politics
And you wouldn't want to go on to have success in the political realm, influencing people to your beliefs, and be on the verge of creating significant change in your country
Only for someone to dredge up something like "X used to be a member of the Y party!"
I say this as a massive poltics nerd, UKIP is in the perfect possition to be hollowed out and made into what ever you wanted it to be
you just need grass roots effort
I am 30 years so not that young. But I am not really afraid of being called far right because everybody who dares to go against EU is called far right
also you don't neceserly need to win to infleunce you just need to be winning enougth to threaten the major parties to force them to change (to re gain your voters)
Yeah, that's not exactly a good thing
As i said, it's a tainted party, other parties ignore this one
If you want to get something done
Join other party
Also depends on your voting system
The far right thing ? I know but how long will this stigma hold back the majority for voting for this party
also the UK might be about to get rid of the house of Lords, which would be replced with a more represetive elected body, this would allow for more populist frinch parties greater ability to win
a labour MP Frank Fields (one of the few non leftists ones) has submited a bill to give us a senate.
@Crypto MJM
The party leader was condemned in 2004 for racism, it won't go away anytime soon
Things are pretty bad in Belgium Highest tax rate in Europe, lowest pension funds
normaly it wouldn't sucseed but with the frustration of brexit and labour being far left, I could see it getting the votes.
I have a strong suspicion that if this party started to gain momentum that they would fracture, due to half their party wanting to 'rehab' the image and the other half wanting to 'stay true' to the pary's founding roots
Pretty sure Jobbik over in Hungary are already doing that
Jobbik is weird though
it's not like a normal populist party
it's allways had wierd race views like pro turk pro islam
it's so anti liberal it's pro islam
@Fulcrum010 I understand what you mean, but I think that was Filip de winter , Now the party has a new front and leader Tom Van Grieken
Senate institution is overrated
@Reaps The NVA is the biggets party at the moment in Belgium but they have most of their votes from Vlaams Belang and after they got the chance to proof them selves they didn't deliver, contrary they did everything they said they wouldn't.
literally, Senate is an offspring of the lords chamber
Welcome to the world of politics 👌
Their is even some kind of unwritten rule between parties trying to silence the party and will try to form all sorts of coalitions to exclude them taking office
yes it is my point was rather the senate is not likly to be FPTP it is likly to be STV /AV or MMR
Did they, too, run on a populist platform?
Because it's a problem I often see with populist parties; populism itself is often short-term and subject to change almost impulsively, which makes it particularly difficult to forge clear working principles and policy around
To take things to their extreme examples, there are plenty of cases where someone uses the state to take things away from their citizens, whilst continuing to yammer on about 'the people'
I might look into it more later, but colour me skeptical for the time being
Interesting discussion nonetheless
populism is gay