Message from @Ipod

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2018-07-31 10:36:57 UTC  

@Reaps what's the song?

2018-07-31 10:38:27 UTC  

also might I remind everyone that Monopolies are a government creation

2018-07-31 10:46:59 UTC  

@AiarUther For the most part, yes, monopolies are a government creation. Monopolies in of themselves are not inherently evil, but most monopolies that come to mind are evil. What is the differentiation between an evil monopoly and a good monopoly? Simply by the means in which the monopoly is created. Most monopolies are created out of fraud and force, via regulations and such, these are evil monopolies. A good monopoly on the other hand is a monopoly that is created from natural means, meaning, natural market forces. A good monopoly comes to being because it provides the best quality product or service in its particular market and its competition cannot provide better. Also in the case of evil monopolies competition is barred from entry, while for a good monopoly competition can attempt to enter and defeat the monopoly if it so pleased.

2018-07-31 10:48:49 UTC  

well I define a monopoly as a company that owns the majority market share of a service or product.

2018-07-31 10:49:16 UTC  

one that, in doing so, can set the price artificially

2018-07-31 10:49:40 UTC  

the problem is that this will almost never happen naturally

2018-07-31 10:50:25 UTC  

not without government or violent enforcement

2018-07-31 10:52:37 UTC  

Well I would agree with your definition for the most part, however, not necessarily majority, but rather overwhelming majority is probably a better way to put it. 51% market share does not make a monopoly is why I would state overwhelming, but that's mere semantics. As to artificially setting prices, every company does this, it just depends on the consumer as to whether or not they wish to adhere to that artificially set price.

And yes, that is indeed the case. It almost never happens unless through force or coercion by government and the like.

2018-07-31 10:53:11 UTC  

But the thing is even if they have 100% of the market share

2018-07-31 10:53:20 UTC  

they are still at risk of competition

2018-07-31 10:53:41 UTC  

yes, if they arise naturally

2018-07-31 10:53:44 UTC  

and oligrachies don't work either

2018-07-31 10:54:26 UTC  

you only need one company not to comply or an upstart company who wants to take all their customers

2018-07-31 10:56:09 UTC  

no they don't, oligarchies don't arise much at all naturally. In the flooring industry it very much is an oligarchy and then we had Beaulieu come in and wreck the place. Their branch here went under recently and fell into the hands of another competitor. There's 2 major flooring manufacturers, Mohawk and Shaw. They kind of run it together and then butt heads.

2018-07-31 10:56:42 UTC  

but again, they can't artificially raise prices

2018-07-31 10:57:48 UTC  

Eh, they can, if consumers like the product and think the new price is still worth it, but usually in most cases, consumers stop purchasing goods when prices are raised too high. It's a matter of balancing supply/demand/price.

2018-07-31 10:58:10 UTC  

And of course competition enters to make prices lower

2018-07-31 10:58:14 UTC  

yes

2018-07-31 10:58:27 UTC  

capitalism is beautiful

2018-07-31 10:58:39 UTC  

I agree wholeheartedly.

2018-07-31 10:58:59 UTC  

I'm almost an Ancap, minus the an

2018-07-31 10:59:04 UTC  

lol

2018-07-31 10:59:16 UTC  

I'm a minarchist

2018-07-31 10:59:28 UTC  

Which was that again?

2018-07-31 10:59:46 UTC  

I'm honestly thinking it's the fancy way of saying "libertarian"

2018-07-31 11:00:27 UTC  

I think that the goovernment should reduced to the minimum size possible

2018-07-31 11:00:56 UTC  

I'm anarcho-agnostic for the most part

2018-07-31 11:01:00 UTC  

ah, well that's what I'm closest too, Libertarian, although not a Libertarian per se. I think government more as a mediator rather than a regulator.

2018-07-31 11:01:08 UTC  

I think that's how I'd put it.

2018-07-31 11:01:53 UTC  

Well I'm not sure if we could live without a govrnment, but I'm not quite brave enough to try

2018-07-31 11:02:04 UTC  

I'm nnot sure if we could or couldn't

2018-07-31 11:03:19 UTC  

I think government is a necessity, again as a mediator. Need a sort of "Leviathan" to ensure everyone follows their contractual obligations. I'm using the term leviathan loosely to mean some sort of ruler or arbiter or body.

2018-07-31 11:04:34 UTC  

well I think if a government has a main purprose, it's to protect property rights and to enforce contracts

2018-07-31 11:04:45 UTC  

Basically the way I think it ought to be is government is contracted by the people(like the Constitution) and is afforded the rights that the people all agreed upon in the contract. It has to be explicitly stated of course, and that is the role of government, that explicit statement within the contract and only those explicit statements.

2018-07-31 11:05:04 UTC  

Yes, exactly lol.

2018-07-31 11:05:15 UTC  

We trust people's contracts because the penalty for breaking a contract is high

2018-07-31 11:05:36 UTC  

yep, and that is the necessity of government. To be the mediator

2018-07-31 11:05:50 UTC  

And to administer justice

2018-07-31 11:05:58 UTC  

I think that we could use private courts for more minor infactions though

2018-07-31 11:06:14 UTC  

or civil disagreements