Message from @khimære

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2017-07-10 14:42:44 UTC  

A perfect example of this phenomenon was seen during Trump's presidential campaign in which the enemyedia steadfastly refused to televise the audiences at Trump rallies. The didn't care as much about people seeing Trump and they cared about people seeing people seeing Trump. Follow me dawg?

2017-07-10 14:47:43 UTC  

This is why when we document our activism in a photographs and videos we should not try to focus on the activism per se, but on creating a visual context whereby people are seen consuming our content.

2017-07-10 14:48:57 UTC  

This is how we make our shit "kosher".

2017-07-10 14:54:58 UTC  

As long as I'm on this topic, I might as well go on and offer you gentlemen some constructive criticism for your consideration as you debate whether or not to wear masks during our activism. It's self-defeating. The message it sends creates exactly the opposite effect of the case cited above. You're essentially telling your audience that it is not OK to endorse your message.

2017-07-10 14:57:14 UTC  

The media is the message.

2017-07-10 15:45:32 UTC  

ALWAYS wear masks

2017-07-10 15:46:10 UTC  

not just to protect yourself from antifa, but from the real enemy.

2017-07-10 15:46:19 UTC  

Jimmy's right, ditch the masks.

2017-07-10 15:49:09 UTC  

I disagree with this.

2017-07-10 15:49:35 UTC  

the thing is the majority of people do not agree with us.

2017-07-10 15:49:58 UTC  

sure they may not fully agree with that general narrative however: the lemming generally does not care.

2017-07-10 15:51:38 UTC  

They might on that more unconscious level prefer to stay with their own (in larger numbers, but again: unconsciously) however otherwise: they do not agree with us.

2017-07-10 15:52:15 UTC  

They do not come to that point of thinking (usually) until they are *pushed* to that point.

2017-07-10 15:52:25 UTC  

though that is a bit of a different subject.

2017-07-10 15:56:02 UTC  

It doesn't have to be one way or the other. I would suggest carefully considering the pros and cons of mask wearing individually in the context of a particular activism project. In the case of an overpass demonstrations anonymity is not not typically at risk unless and until someone exits the freeway, circles around, parks and approaches the demonstrators on foot. At that point, demonstrators wishing to disguise themselves have ample time to don a mask.

2017-07-10 15:57:00 UTC  

There is also the variable of the passerby on the overpasses.

2017-07-10 15:57:29 UTC  

Yes, it's dependent on the particular overpass.

2017-07-10 15:59:25 UTC  

how so? an overpass is an overpass.

2017-07-10 16:04:43 UTC  

Cross traffic on freeway overpasses varies enormously. Most rural overpasses with no on and off ramps don't even have sidewalks because pedestrian traffic is virtually non existent. Vehicular traffic is sparse and visibility of oncoming traffic is high.

2017-07-10 16:38:10 UTC  

@khimære Your position is instructive and I hope you won’t be offended if I use it to validate Alex’s thesis that most whiteskins share our beliefs.

Your strong advocacy for the wearing of masks is clear evidence that you fear the consequences of being identified with your beliefs. If you’re afraid, why would normies not be afraid? It's far more likely that they are afraid, but find hiding their opinions easier than hiding their faces. Our mission, as I see it, is to allay those fears.

2017-07-10 16:42:59 UTC  

No it is simply stupid not to wear a mask.

2017-07-10 16:43:29 UTC  

You only make yourself a target otherwise.

2017-07-10 16:43:59 UTC  

Look at it the same way that one shouldn't get face tattoos.

2017-07-10 16:46:00 UTC  

but yes there ARE consequences, and you should go about doing these things in a smarter fashion.

2017-07-10 16:46:25 UTC  

This is the one area where antifa is acting a lot smarter than the majority of reactionary types.

2017-07-10 16:46:57 UTC  

on another note, it removes that individual identity as it is the message and presentation that matters.

2017-07-10 16:50:52 UTC  

and why would it matter whether normies are afraid or not? If anything that is good.

2017-07-10 16:52:50 UTC  

Sure they may scorn you either way, but you'll get a lot more out of them if they fear you.

2017-07-10 16:53:47 UTC  

This is why the more openly nazi groups (such as NA) masking themselves have been so successful in their networking.

2017-07-10 17:13:32 UTC  

I think the best example of effective activism is currently being set by Richard Spencer et al, and I can't imagine them being as effective if they were dressed like bank robbers.

2017-07-10 17:14:14 UTC  

>Richard Spencer

2017-07-10 17:14:44 UTC  

That is not at all effective. They are doing the exact same stuff that was done decades ago. It is not working.

2017-07-10 17:14:56 UTC  

Time to rob those "diversity" banks and empty out their rainbow vaults. Skittles for everybody! Taste our rainbows!

2017-07-10 17:16:19 UTC  

🌈 🔫😷

2017-07-10 17:22:20 UTC  

I personally think Spencer is the best thing going, but not everyone has the ability to mimic that style, so hopefully each of us will find the place in the world of racial activism where he is best suited.

2017-07-10 17:22:49 UTC  

the best thing going? Don't make me laugh!

2017-07-10 17:22:59 UTC  

If *that* is the best thing going, then we're all doomed.

2017-07-10 17:23:27 UTC  

We may well be doomed.

2017-07-10 17:23:39 UTC  

*antifa* does more for our struggle than Richard Spencer and the Alt-right does.

2017-07-10 17:24:39 UTC  

While the alt-right keeps trying to appeal to a system that seeks their destruction: Antifa is at least facilitating a further semblance of instability.

2017-07-10 17:24:48 UTC  

It could be true that antifa does more in spite of their intentions, but I don't think that is a good reason to imitate them.