Message from @Capitán Alatriste

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2018-08-09 01:48:30 UTC  

How can you measure the proper allocation of resources without money @Capitán Alatriste ?

2018-08-09 01:48:55 UTC  

Humans always want more, and want their own. That form of communism can never be, because it ignores this basic human condition. And someone will simply take it over.

2018-08-09 01:49:08 UTC  

How do you know how many airports to build and train tracks to lay?

2018-08-09 01:49:10 UTC  

Even Stalin recognized that

2018-08-09 01:49:33 UTC  

As production stagnated. When he awarded people he saw a boost to their production.

2018-08-09 01:49:40 UTC  

Linen also forsaw this

2018-08-09 01:50:22 UTC  

Linen <:Commie_ball:466404411535785995>

2018-08-09 01:50:25 UTC  

@DanConway ideally yes. If you define the resources by needs, not wants ie clothing, food, shelter, medicine etc... of course a modern economy is incapable of supporting this without a universal method of payment

2018-08-09 01:50:56 UTC  

So no would be the answer

2018-08-09 01:50:59 UTC  

If you measure and allocate based solely on that there will be no innovation

2018-08-09 01:51:01 UTC  

You can't

2018-08-09 01:51:39 UTC  

Innovation comes from different factors. Mostly competition, but also from scarcity

2018-08-09 01:51:40 UTC  

Even of the *communist* nations we have seen no innovation outside of militaristic ever came

2018-08-09 01:51:57 UTC  

In communism there is no competition

2018-08-09 01:52:02 UTC  

How can resourses be moved from place to place efficiently enough to not cause issues?

2018-08-09 01:52:03 UTC  

And no reward

2018-08-09 01:52:16 UTC  

So no human motivation

2018-08-09 01:52:28 UTC  

Money is a great indicator of when to build another lane

2018-08-09 01:52:38 UTC  

Or lay another set of tracks

2018-08-09 01:52:49 UTC  

Without this indicator you are blind

2018-08-09 01:52:52 UTC  

Or scarcity and needs

2018-08-09 01:53:14 UTC  

Scarcity usually lesds to human movement rather than new transport

2018-08-09 01:53:26 UTC  

^^^

2018-08-09 01:53:45 UTC  

So unless this all comes with the tyranny of a gov it would collapse quickly with scarcity

2018-08-09 01:53:45 UTC  

So you would let a famine happen to learn where the resources need to go?

2018-08-09 01:54:02 UTC  

Think of the first settlements in the neolithic times. Agriculture is very vasic. However the more the population grows, the more scarcity and pressure there is. So you are forced to innovate to satisfy the growing demands. There is no competition present

2018-08-09 01:54:03 UTC  

Also how can this work if it not global?

2018-08-09 01:54:28 UTC  

The first settlements still moved or sent out long range hunters

2018-08-09 01:54:48 UTC  

Hunter gatherers had less famine than first agricultural societys

2018-08-09 01:54:54 UTC  

From what i have seen

2018-08-09 01:55:14 UTC  

By the time of thr first settlements hunter gatherer society had come to an end

2018-08-09 01:55:16 UTC  

Hell we dont even know how many settlements were simply abandoned due to scarcity

2018-08-09 01:55:29 UTC  

Um no.

2018-08-09 01:55:31 UTC  

This is not truw

2018-08-09 01:55:42 UTC  

We still have hunter gatherers today

2018-08-09 01:56:01 UTC  

But do they have permament settlements?

2018-08-09 01:56:14 UTC  

We have permanent settlements

2018-08-09 01:56:24 UTC  

Bedowins and tribesmen still mived around. Some would have perm settlements while others moved and traded with the perms

2018-08-09 01:56:51 UTC  

The first settlements didnt end hunt and gather. just expanded the gatherer so to speak

2018-08-09 01:56:55 UTC  

By the time a society reaches the point of a permanent settlement, you stop becoming a hunter gatherer society.

2018-08-09 01:57:13 UTC  

Of course Other societies still need to catch up