There's not much difference between 'Classical Liberals' and Conservatives in 2018

Just like i had to give up on saving the label liberal in america

Conservatives are 'conserving' classical liberalism lol

Its forever lost to the illiberal party

Its possible. Conservatism is about conserving traditions and virtues. And that changes with the times

Also, Liberalism was tainted as soon as they introduced Utilitarianism into the mix

Classical liberalism was the statis quo for long enough conservitives try to get it to survive

IF there's not much difference Conservatives have moved left

I have not moved Right

No, conservative just got broader.

Left/right is relative

everything has moved left because of the shit yuri bezmenov told us about

"Russia lost the cold war" is a joke

Like, what do people even define conservative AS anymore?

Conservative and Lineral are NOT LEFT RIGHT LIMITED

right of left

Republicans and democrats can be either.

yeah, it was neat seeing the democrats being the status quo option when you always think that the conservatives are that

You have conservative democrats. Its just their statis quo is dofferent than republicans

Conservative democrats have another name. Corporate Democrats

As far as I can tell, "conservative" just means "not progressive" by the majority of usage

In a sense. But americans tend to lump conservative with republican and liberal with democrat.

Conservative:
holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

Liberal
favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform.

Sounds pretty traditional to not give preferential treatment to minority groups

Hell even democrats generally arnt liberal but progressive.

Progressive
a person advocating or implementing social reform

That's my point: Traditionalism is now the idea of maximizing individual liberty

It seems like liberal but misses one important part there. Individual liberty

The issue is technically you cant be conservative AND Liberal

Because of the ket that one wants to keep to tradition, and the other wants change.

You mean progressive?

No. Liberals want social and political reform as well
Just with the highlight of individual liberty.

Progressive wants it but without the individual.

Conservative is extremeply reluctant to change.

Everyone wants political and social reform

Conservative doesnt.

What kind of weird ass conservatives are you talking about that wanto to maintain TODAYS status quo?

Conservatism is a political and social philosophy promoting traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. The central tenets of conservatism include tradition, human imperfection, organic society, hierarchy and authority, and property rights.[1] Conservatives seek to preserve a range of institutions such as monarchy, religion, parliamentary government, and property rights, with the aim of emphasizing social stability and continuity.[2] The more extreme elements—reactionaries—oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were".

I know the dictionary definition of conservative

Naw the conservatives today want the status quoe before the progressive changes

And are reluctant to any new progressive changes

Right, and the status quo before progressives was Liberalism