i think everything will fall apart

Or we could have Stratocracy, unironically.

Only those who have struggled for their citizenship can vote

the kids will not know how the machine works

The children can continue being children

no, lol

they will get curious

and fuck around with shit

like kids do

that is why tradition is so important

I meant the overgrown children we colloquially call 'adults'

this applies to them

Can you explain? What will they fuck around with?

the structures that would be in place

i guess i should go back to what i was saying

yeah, sorry

the point i was trying to make, is that you cant create prosperity without also creating complacency
so that eventually, if society keeps improving, there would be some sort of imperative to keep the youth in check, and to teach them the value of what they have.
without that mechanism in place, they will end up,through ignorance, destroying the system.
so what i was talking about earlier was a need for some sort of program to combat that

Yes, I agree.

Thing is, you can't 'fix' everyone

right

but we need the majority

I'm not sure being egalitarian in that sense is even preferable

can you explain that more?

Like, *attempting* to get as many people into that position as possible.

The thing about hardship and its relation to responsibility, is that it has to be completely voluntary for it to even work.

People need to *want* to become a better person

um..maybe

And I think that for a majority of humans, that will never be the case

The old "sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs" thing

which is why i was talking about this in the context of fascism

it almost needs to be forced

true, but it doesn't sound very fascist lol

Authoritarian, yes

okay, sure

that is a better word

Which is why i brought up stratocracy unironically, because this is the exact phenomenon that Heinlein was talking about in the pre-history of Starship Troopers

Prosperity leads to decadence, which leads to a slow collapse of responsiblity

Yet, responsibility can't be forced

exactly

So even if we could have a societal mechanism which indoctrinated everyone into having the toolkit necessary to take on responsibility, very few still would, and now you'd have a bunch of angry young adults on your hands because you forced them through this

well, you would need to be able to back it up

and do it at an early age

with love

you want them to feel a part of it