https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-midterm-election-results/

Eww Bloomberg

@Banks=Gay I wish the SC would uphold it instead of cucking to muh elastic clause

Fuckin a' right. Commerce clause is the founders biggest mistake apparently

It's the big problem with the EU that it's a somewhat confederal system, compared to the US being federal and more bottom up logic to sovereignty

Apparently everything under the sun is interstate commerce so EVERYTHING was the feds job THE WHOLE TIME.

Who wouldve thunk

the EU's problem is that it should have been aborted

If the UK government has taught me anything it's that the government will make something their job

yes

The 'loisence' memes are so close to reality it's depressing

Britain sounds lost

@Banks=Gay the 14th took away from the 10th effectively

@galesteppes the amount of paperwork needed to get anything done here is ridiculous

And before that all interstate commerce was handled between states feds only got involved in disputes. Until the 14th

Sounds like a soon to be dead state

How does the 14th change commerce? Isnt it civil rights? I admit ive only ever really had a solid look at the first 10.

@Banks=Gay states can't negotiate anymore

Fed just forces them to play nice

Isn't it technically illegal for a state to secede?

The 14th made everyone a citizen and under the jurisdiction of the feds. Before that citizenship and all was effectively the states issue

Unilaterally, yes @Agamemnon's Death Mask

@Agamemnon's Death Mask yes due to scotus

in theory, with the consent of all the other states, maybe they could leave

But there's no way that'll happen

@Agamemnon's Death Mask Neither the constitution nor amendments have the word sucession in them

The constitution never says so explicitly

Post civil war. Federalists made a lot of changes

but the SC decied that sucession isn't legal

Yea.

They cited the 14th for the reasons for deaming it illigal

Since the feds and not the states choose citizenship at that point

So if a state just said "Nope, we're leaving anyway", what would be the result, other than military action? Or would that likely be the only possible recourse

even though the states choose the voting method

Cessession before was litterally the state saying we arnt us citizens anymore

It would boil to military action

Military action would be the known precedent

@Agamemnon's Death Mask "You're joking right?"

Since lawsuits and so on would be ignored

it's like the procedure of an Article V Convention of States, nobody bothered hashing that out