@Banks=Gay the 14th took away from the 10th effectively

@galesteppes the amount of paperwork needed to get anything done here is ridiculous

And before that all interstate commerce was handled between states feds only got involved in disputes. Until the 14th

Sounds like a soon to be dead state

How does the 14th change commerce? Isnt it civil rights? I admit ive only ever really had a solid look at the first 10.

@Banks=Gay states can't negotiate anymore

Fed just forces them to play nice

Isn't it technically illegal for a state to secede?

The 14th made everyone a citizen and under the jurisdiction of the feds. Before that citizenship and all was effectively the states issue

Unilaterally, yes @Agamemnon's Death Mask

@Agamemnon's Death Mask yes due to scotus

in theory, with the consent of all the other states, maybe they could leave

But there's no way that'll happen

@Agamemnon's Death Mask Neither the constitution nor amendments have the word sucession in them

The constitution never says so explicitly

Post civil war. Federalists made a lot of changes

but the SC decied that sucession isn't legal

Yea.

They cited the 14th for the reasons for deaming it illigal

Since the feds and not the states choose citizenship at that point

So if a state just said "Nope, we're leaving anyway", what would be the result, other than military action? Or would that likely be the only possible recourse

even though the states choose the voting method

Cessession before was litterally the state saying we arnt us citizens anymore

It would boil to military action

Military action would be the known precedent

@Agamemnon's Death Mask "You're joking right?"

Since lawsuits and so on would be ignored

it's like the procedure of an Article V Convention of States, nobody bothered hashing that out

If they're not, then expect military action

Never have I been more thankful for the United States of Europe being so benignly inept that nations can leave with a fuck you, and have pretty much no comuppance

Unfortunately Theresa's killed that option for us

You country is fucked m8

Tbh the un is on the cusp of their own 14th

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Brexit was the EUs civil war, without a war

And worse leadership

And britian lost

14th incoming

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-midterm-election-results/

It's fixable. Give England a devolved parliament, devolve central London further like DC, bring in STV or PR, and give the rest of the UK a referendum on whether we want to keep Scotland

That map is terrifying