Message from @seriade

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2018-11-16 14:24:54 UTC  

Not saying it's great

2018-11-16 14:24:55 UTC  

It tends to only lead to issues if the leader resigns or retires between elections

2018-11-16 14:25:21 UTC  

Or there's a coup within the party....

2018-11-16 14:25:29 UTC  

From the outside, it seems like your Parliament is run by parties, not people, and most of the reps could be swapped out for someone else and it would work just the same

2018-11-16 14:25:35 UTC  

I hate my country sometimes

2018-11-16 14:25:58 UTC  

most parlamentary democracies run this way

2018-11-16 14:26:10 UTC  

A lot of the time yes, but it means that we get a lot more independents having influence

2018-11-16 14:26:27 UTC  

At least that's here in Australia

2018-11-16 14:26:36 UTC  

I don't think Americans calling Reps and Dems 'parties' helps at all

2018-11-16 14:26:38 UTC  

We also have a lot more parties

2018-11-16 14:26:40 UTC  

thats why you need to do with what canada does and you have an official party status level

2018-11-16 14:27:05 UTC  

What should we call them then?

2018-11-16 14:27:26 UTC  

Big groups that run basically everything?

2018-11-16 14:27:30 UTC  

The Victorian state election is this month. The ballot is a metre long there are that many parties

2018-11-16 14:27:33 UTC  

In the US, someone could run as a 'democrat' because they like the color blue, and vote straight republican, while being honest about what he's doing.

2018-11-16 14:27:49 UTC  

And that's not a problem

2018-11-16 14:28:07 UTC  

They're glorified placeholders

2018-11-16 14:28:17 UTC  

Yeah and that voting record would draw all the wrong attention.

2018-11-16 14:28:24 UTC  

It means I can put the greens (my most hated party) at the bottom

2018-11-16 14:28:31 UTC  

@EnderOctanus I said honest for a reason.

2018-11-16 14:28:41 UTC  

the problem is that you have 20 parties that if you trace them back are broken up versions of other parties over some slight at some point

2018-11-16 14:29:12 UTC  

People in America don't care as much about honesty from politicians as the rest of the world seems to.

2018-11-16 14:29:15 UTC  

That is pretty shitty

2018-11-16 14:29:21 UTC  

So really, in the US system, you don't have 2 parties, you have 50-100+

2018-11-16 14:29:39 UTC  

What do you think would happen if voting was compulsory in America?

2018-11-16 14:29:49 UTC  

It'd be shit

2018-11-16 14:30:05 UTC  

If you're an uneducated voter, I urge you to not vote.

2018-11-16 14:30:09 UTC  

Yeah, we do. But they rally under a single banner to focus their authority.

2018-11-16 14:30:52 UTC  

Its compulsory in Australia. A lot of people donkey vote

2018-11-16 14:31:23 UTC  

I unironically believe universal suffrage was a mistake, tbh

2018-11-16 14:31:36 UTC  

anything beyond a 3 party system tends to devolve in a cluster fuck. If you want 20 parties you need to get rid of first past the post and use some elimination system on a party system to knock out the small parties

2018-11-16 14:31:37 UTC  

I mean many of our systems require, flat out, a majority, meaning at least half, to do anything new. If we had three or five parties, that would be unthinkable if each one was made of politicians, e.g. have an agenda.

2018-11-16 14:31:56 UTC  

Probably. I will say the electoral commission here is pretty good though

2018-11-16 14:32:38 UTC  

For one thing if you have any sort of political connection you aren't allowed to work for them

2018-11-16 14:32:54 UTC  

Which means we don't get the Florida situation

2018-11-16 14:33:01 UTC  

Thank fuck

2018-11-16 14:33:19 UTC  

Though if it's any consolation, most Americans agree in principle with you. And Washington straight up warned not to make parties.

2018-11-16 14:33:47 UTC  

Then we had the Tory Party form shortly after LOL

2018-11-16 14:34:06 UTC  

Which died after like 60 or something years.

2018-11-16 14:34:12 UTC  

Yay!

2018-11-16 14:34:14 UTC  

To expand on the 50-100 parties thing, you can think of each state being a party, and the 2 senators having to work out their disagreements between each other, like a party would.

Representatives are numerous, and may have more than 2 parties in a state, so there's your third party.