Message from @EnderOctanus

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2018-11-16 14:30:52 UTC  

Its compulsory in Australia. A lot of people donkey vote

2018-11-16 14:31:23 UTC  

I unironically believe universal suffrage was a mistake, tbh

2018-11-16 14:31:36 UTC  

anything beyond a 3 party system tends to devolve in a cluster fuck. If you want 20 parties you need to get rid of first past the post and use some elimination system on a party system to knock out the small parties

2018-11-16 14:31:37 UTC  

I mean many of our systems require, flat out, a majority, meaning at least half, to do anything new. If we had three or five parties, that would be unthinkable if each one was made of politicians, e.g. have an agenda.

2018-11-16 14:31:56 UTC  

Probably. I will say the electoral commission here is pretty good though

2018-11-16 14:32:38 UTC  

For one thing if you have any sort of political connection you aren't allowed to work for them

2018-11-16 14:32:54 UTC  

Which means we don't get the Florida situation

2018-11-16 14:33:01 UTC  

Thank fuck

2018-11-16 14:33:19 UTC  

Though if it's any consolation, most Americans agree in principle with you. And Washington straight up warned not to make parties.

2018-11-16 14:33:47 UTC  

Then we had the Tory Party form shortly after LOL

2018-11-16 14:34:06 UTC  

Which died after like 60 or something years.

2018-11-16 14:34:12 UTC  

Yay!

2018-11-16 14:34:14 UTC  

To expand on the 50-100 parties thing, you can think of each state being a party, and the 2 senators having to work out their disagreements between each other, like a party would.

Representatives are numerous, and may have more than 2 parties in a state, so there's your third party.

2018-11-16 14:34:49 UTC  

That's good in theory but in the US it's impossible.

2018-11-16 14:34:49 UTC  

To be fair by telling them not to do it. EXPLICITLY!
He was basically telling them to do it

2018-11-16 14:34:59 UTC  

@EnderOctanus I'm American, buddy lol

2018-11-16 14:35:38 UTC  

Then you should realize that not enough people care about much else besides party affiliation.

2018-11-16 14:35:58 UTC  

You'd have to change the public perception of politics first.

2018-11-16 14:36:16 UTC  

Yes, but mostly in the last few decades with national news

2018-11-16 14:36:40 UTC  

As an outsider sometimes your politics seem like a reality tv show

2018-11-16 14:36:43 UTC  

True. But you'd have a system that at least for a while, would be crippled.

2018-11-16 14:36:46 UTC  

A Democrat in West Virginia is a lot different than California

2018-11-16 14:36:51 UTC  

And I am not talking about trump

2018-11-16 14:37:28 UTC  

Yeah. Politics past the state level turns into a money and popularity game.

2018-11-16 14:37:32 UTC  

But now with mass media, those two Dems are put on the same stage and they have to "perform" to the whole country basically

2018-11-16 14:38:03 UTC  

Which makes their platforms start to sound very similar

2018-11-16 14:38:12 UTC  

I also don't understand why so many of your races house or otherwise people are running uncontested

2018-11-16 14:38:17 UTC  

The system has just gotten too big to be properly managed the way we used to, I think.

2018-11-16 14:38:30 UTC  

In my local there are 5 different candidates

2018-11-16 14:38:47 UTC  

House races never go uncontested in my experience.

2018-11-16 14:38:50 UTC  

No, the system works fine, but we've messed with it in the past half century

2018-11-16 14:39:06 UTC  

Politicians used to be paid less than the poverty line

2018-11-16 14:39:11 UTC  

I was watching you most recent election

2018-11-16 14:39:28 UTC  

Unless you have no chance in hell of getting elected so nobody but the clear winner bothers running.

2018-11-16 14:40:01 UTC  

The districts are usually overwhelmingly supportive of one party.

2018-11-16 14:40:45 UTC  

So one party is basically guaranteed to get that vote unless their policies became really unpopular.

2018-11-16 14:41:29 UTC  

This will only change with electoral reform. Alternative vote or something.

2018-11-16 14:42:25 UTC  

Otherwise people feel like there's only one 'real' choice anyway. The OTHER PROBLEM is that almost everyone agrees that Congress is cancer.

2018-11-16 14:43:00 UTC  

The trouble is, nobody agrees on whose representatives are the ones that should go.

2018-11-16 14:44:14 UTC  

Everyone tends to favor their elected Congessman or Senator even if the rest of the country can't stand them. Partially because the country is basically a continent and so local problems can be big factors.

2018-11-16 14:45:08 UTC  

Everyone agrees, get the clowns out of government. They CAN'T agree on whose clowns should get tossed out. There's our problem.