Message from @Goblin_Slayer_Floki

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2018-12-31 21:05:19 UTC  

No no 2 people are inherently equal

2018-12-31 21:05:29 UTC  

You have not refuted Hume.

2018-12-31 21:05:37 UTC  

You cannot just state a claim

2018-12-31 21:05:38 UTC  

Okay, preferrable or not preferrable. You would prefer to have the man who has a biology degree making kedication rather than a sociologist. They are not equal in that regard, but both have worth as human beings.

2018-12-31 21:05:42 UTC  

Intelligence caps, behaviour inclinations, physical charactoristics, ect.

2018-12-31 21:06:08 UTC  

Preference is only relative to the individual. There is no inherent, objective morality in nature.

2018-12-31 21:06:09 UTC  

Only way for 2 humans to naturally equal is for us to be cyborgs built exactly the same

2018-12-31 21:06:22 UTC  

You have not refuted Hume.

2018-12-31 21:06:40 UTC  

His basis is that 2 people are born exactly the same.

2018-12-31 21:06:47 UTC  

Genetics alone refutes hume

2018-12-31 21:06:53 UTC  

I could be a realist and argue that humans are amongst the cheapest resources at our disposal.

2018-12-31 21:07:32 UTC  

plus, what's the difference between a coop and a corporation? companies are in direct competition with one another, so they have to specialise their employees to make sure they are the best they could be at their job to ensure their company succeeds. you wouldn't want a burger flipper to do your accounting, which is why there is a division of labour. if you don't have the most efficient process, then you will end up with 100$ sandwiches and water will become scarce as you don't have enough competent people doing their jobs. without growth, humans WILL regress, unless it is the number of people that you have to start with... we will find out what happens in that case when we hit the growth limit in a few decades of 9 billion people.

2018-12-31 21:07:32 UTC  

Nature is objective in this as survival at its base is genetic.

2018-12-31 21:07:33 UTC  

How can you say that worth is not relative to individual preference?

2018-12-31 21:07:51 UTC  

You really need to read about Hume, he is an enlightenment philosopher.

2018-12-31 21:08:03 UTC  

Worth in survival is not individual preference

2018-12-31 21:08:09 UTC  

If I need a service, I only want the best person providing that service.

2018-12-31 21:08:15 UTC  

I would recommend reading "an enquiry concerning human understanding" by Hume.

2018-12-31 21:08:36 UTC  
2018-12-31 21:08:55 UTC  

A person born with the evolutionary instinct that fire is bad. Naturally has more worth in nature than one born without

2018-12-31 21:09:06 UTC  

In nature worth is measured by survivability

2018-12-31 21:09:18 UTC  

Goblin, you're not refuting my arguments, you're just re-stating your point in different ways.

2018-12-31 21:09:22 UTC  

You need to address what I said.

2018-12-31 21:09:28 UTC  

I just did

2018-12-31 21:09:56 UTC  

What you said does not make much sense, if he did not address it.

2018-12-31 21:10:02 UTC  

"How can you say that worth is not relative to individual preference?"

It isnt individual preference in nature when measured by survivability

2018-12-31 21:10:10 UTC  

What do you mean exactly?

2018-12-31 21:10:31 UTC  

Are all people equal, based on an ideal?

2018-12-31 21:10:45 UTC  

I stated it in different ways when you didnt understand it

2018-12-31 21:11:49 UTC  

"Philosophers" are often wrong in some nuonces. Hence why philosophy isnt a sciencr

2018-12-31 21:12:30 UTC  

Philosophy created science, it is very valuable to know philosophy.

2018-12-31 21:13:06 UTC  

Philosophy was a handy way to take science and adapt it to every day.

2018-12-31 21:13:20 UTC  

But you should never take it as unabridged fact

2018-12-31 21:13:23 UTC  

No, it was a way to explore ideas.

2018-12-31 21:13:30 UTC  

Nobody does

2018-12-31 21:13:36 UTC  

Mittens does

2018-12-31 21:13:42 UTC  

To elaborate further. One cannot separate an is from an ought. For one to say someone has "worth", this claim is an ought claim. It is one which is relative to emotional preference. Subjective means "based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions." Objective means "(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts." If one is to say they find this or that trait preferable, then they are making a subjective claim, one which is according to personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. That would make it an "ought" claim, because something someone feels ought to be, cannot be what something "is". What something is, would be objective, which means not influenced by personal opinion. So, to say someone has worth, that would be an ought claim, because you're making a claim about preference.

2018-12-31 21:13:42 UTC  

Marxists do

2018-12-31 21:13:50 UTC  

Philosophy is not factual, ever.