Message from @✿ Mittens ✿

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2018-12-31 21:01:26 UTC  

Disregarding sources simply out of political bias is the method of the communist who defends North Korea.

2018-12-31 21:01:31 UTC  

They make horrible arguments

2018-12-31 21:02:02 UTC  

The latest one, gamer culture is a Russian invention, etc.

2018-12-31 21:02:13 UTC  

They are nuts

2018-12-31 21:02:25 UTC  

Also syndicalism, communism and socialism has no use for the arts or innovation. As the arguement goes something like how many farmers will it take to cure cancer. Or some such

2018-12-31 21:02:56 UTC  

I can argue aga8nst that Floki

2018-12-31 21:03:12 UTC  

Cnn is a horrid source because THEY disregard sources due to bias

2018-12-31 21:03:49 UTC  

You need to have biologists and doctors to keep the workforce healthy, and ensure production of food. You cannot avoid that.

2018-12-31 21:04:11 UTC  

there will always be poor countries. that is a feature of any system. even in the US, there are poor people. we can develop these countries, and get them close to our level, and they may even exceed our standard of living. in 1000 years, the Congo could be the most developed nation on earth if they work hard enough.

in regards to the environment again, I do believe that there is a factor it plays in environmental change, however it is not the only factor. climate change and the environment is a very complex issue with many variables in addition to industries. yes, humans do play a role, but how big of a role? how much of a role does the sun play? or volcanoes? or chickens? there are oodles of things that we have to account for to determine what is changing our world.

2018-12-31 21:04:15 UTC  

Also, Ender, I would disagree that people are not naturally equal, given the is/ought divide of Hume. We can say that reason is a slave to the passions. What one prefers, is automatically separate from what something is, simply because that is how it exists. If we are to say that the universe will experience heat death in a few trillion years due to entropy, this is true regardless of if we want it to be true. In the same way, a person's intelligence, or their condition, is only preferable relevant to an individual's emotional preference. That is why I always say that IQ is a meaningless measure of worth, because how a person acts could be preferable, or not preferable.

2018-12-31 21:04:15 UTC  

And no that 99% is a false idea based on the false claim of 80% scientists agree with manmade climate change, the report that lumped near all climate change reports together

2018-12-31 21:04:39 UTC  

If one is to follow a truly objective analysis of human beings, using the logic of Hume, one cannot say that any person is inherently, objectively more valuable than another.

2018-12-31 21:04:46 UTC  

I've written a paper on this recently.

2018-12-31 21:05:19 UTC  

No no 2 people are inherently equal

2018-12-31 21:05:29 UTC  

You have not refuted Hume.

2018-12-31 21:05:37 UTC  

You cannot just state a claim

2018-12-31 21:05:38 UTC  

Okay, preferrable or not preferrable. You would prefer to have the man who has a biology degree making kedication rather than a sociologist. They are not equal in that regard, but both have worth as human beings.

2018-12-31 21:05:42 UTC  

Intelligence caps, behaviour inclinations, physical charactoristics, ect.

2018-12-31 21:06:08 UTC  

Preference is only relative to the individual. There is no inherent, objective morality in nature.

2018-12-31 21:06:09 UTC  

Only way for 2 humans to naturally equal is for us to be cyborgs built exactly the same

2018-12-31 21:06:22 UTC  

You have not refuted Hume.

2018-12-31 21:06:40 UTC  

His basis is that 2 people are born exactly the same.

2018-12-31 21:06:47 UTC  

Genetics alone refutes hume

2018-12-31 21:06:53 UTC  

I could be a realist and argue that humans are amongst the cheapest resources at our disposal.

2018-12-31 21:07:32 UTC  

plus, what's the difference between a coop and a corporation? companies are in direct competition with one another, so they have to specialise their employees to make sure they are the best they could be at their job to ensure their company succeeds. you wouldn't want a burger flipper to do your accounting, which is why there is a division of labour. if you don't have the most efficient process, then you will end up with 100$ sandwiches and water will become scarce as you don't have enough competent people doing their jobs. without growth, humans WILL regress, unless it is the number of people that you have to start with... we will find out what happens in that case when we hit the growth limit in a few decades of 9 billion people.

2018-12-31 21:07:32 UTC  

Nature is objective in this as survival at its base is genetic.

2018-12-31 21:07:33 UTC  

How can you say that worth is not relative to individual preference?

2018-12-31 21:07:51 UTC  

You really need to read about Hume, he is an enlightenment philosopher.

2018-12-31 21:08:03 UTC  

Worth in survival is not individual preference

2018-12-31 21:08:09 UTC  

If I need a service, I only want the best person providing that service.

2018-12-31 21:08:15 UTC  

I would recommend reading "an enquiry concerning human understanding" by Hume.

2018-12-31 21:08:36 UTC  
2018-12-31 21:08:55 UTC  

A person born with the evolutionary instinct that fire is bad. Naturally has more worth in nature than one born without

2018-12-31 21:09:06 UTC  

In nature worth is measured by survivability

2018-12-31 21:09:18 UTC  

Goblin, you're not refuting my arguments, you're just re-stating your point in different ways.

2018-12-31 21:09:22 UTC  

You need to address what I said.

2018-12-31 21:09:28 UTC  

I just did

2018-12-31 21:09:56 UTC  

What you said does not make much sense, if he did not address it.

2018-12-31 21:10:02 UTC  

"How can you say that worth is not relative to individual preference?"

It isnt individual preference in nature when measured by survivability

2018-12-31 21:10:10 UTC  

What do you mean exactly?