Salafists and wahabists are both ultra orthodox muslims who take the book literal

But have the same devision as sunni and shia their parent groups. Succession

you cant remove sunni or shia. in the core its just the belief of who should’ve succeeded after the death of Muhammed.

Mountain Man the Reformer

Yea you can there are 2 sects that dont violently fight over that succession

Slow the reform is the Only working solution.

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki You don’t need to remove them. Only need to make them stop fighting.

The Hadiths are NOT clear, which is the problem in many cases @Goblin_Slayer_Floki

Hadiths are not word of god, and should be listened to as if you read a normal book.

There are two types. Ones Mohammed said, and ones Allah said via Mohammed. But there is no label on the Hadith to say which it is.

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They are also contradictory.

Yes

Some who even contradict the Quran itself.

the only solution is to kill them all

Is there really no possibility of forging a compelling third way between the two major sects?

Killing off a religion made to survive even through prosecution? Good luck.

prosecution?

@Legiondude There is. We shake hands and have normal civil debates.

Remember, most of the evidence that he was a prophet, were his own words proclaiming that God is speaking through him. So you have a problem, as apparently, God did not ALWAYS speak through him, but did not clarify when that is.

can a religion be sued?

@nutsnax Prosecution. People killing them.

oh, persecution got it

Ahh yes. I spelled it wrong.

everything I've read and heard about islam is scary

convert or die is the message i got

Which is pretty funny because force convertion dosent work.

i guess the die part would be employed then

Yes. Which wouldnt be allowed. There is one chapter (don’t remember the exakt one) which says that you aren’t allowed to kill unbelievers of you aren’t at War, and that you need to defend them if they ask for shelfen.

Muslims should Never forget that Muhammeds life was saved by the christian ethiopians.

is that in the Meccan or Medinan version?

Excuse me?

I don’t understand

I thought there were two versions

There is one Quran.

sorry, book I mean

when muhammed was in mecca then went to Medina

Oh. The Quran is the Only true one, the words by God.

He was not in Medina when the Ethiopians saved his followers, he was in Mecca

And seriously they basically turned up to Medina and "asked kindly to live there" and, unsurprisinlgly, althoufh the Jewish Medinans agreed they also hated them for getting them into wars.

@nutsnax About conversion, there is this Very interesting chapter which everyone always point to. Chapter 2. It says to kill the infidels wherever you find them, But immediatly tells you NOT to do that.