Message from @Thomas the Sowell Train [USA]

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2019-01-24 10:24:35 UTC  

To prevent refugee crises

2019-01-24 10:25:20 UTC  

That's the type of governance that I'm saying is prone to corruption.

2019-01-24 10:25:28 UTC  

The state should not take that role.

2019-01-24 10:25:47 UTC  

At least in Venezuela there has been a refugee crisis for years. But it has mostly affected neighboring countries

2019-01-24 10:27:03 UTC  

It will be our problem sooner or later. The question is, deal with it sooner, or later?

2019-01-24 10:27:24 UTC  

The role of the state should be to create the optimal conditions for market forces and and charity to do the work.

2019-01-24 10:28:13 UTC  

Also the role of the state to do what is necessary at short notice

2019-01-24 10:28:51 UTC  

You mean emergency response?

2019-01-24 10:28:59 UTC  

Aid is self defense in this scenario. And yeah basically

2019-01-24 10:30:13 UTC  

Yeah, sure I agree with that. Enforce laws, handle emergencies, fight crime and violence, punish contract violations etc, but the US should not do those things, Venezuelans should.

2019-01-24 10:31:00 UTC  

Think of it this way. Would you rather the Army handing out MREs or the Clinton Foundation handing out 'aid' to the government?

2019-01-24 10:31:00 UTC  

Of course if a Venezuelan and American company have a legal dispute then the US government has a role in that, and we should enforce the fairness of both Venezuelan companies as well as our own.

2019-01-24 10:31:53 UTC  

Or rather, both countries should seek to ensure that all parties are honoring the laws of each country.

2019-01-24 10:32:19 UTC  

If the Clinton foundation wants to give food to people that's fine.

2019-01-24 10:32:41 UTC  

Venezuelancannot ensure anything right now. And remember Haiti?

2019-01-24 10:32:45 UTC  

I'd rather that then empower the state to do fancy things with how it allocates funds.

2019-01-24 10:33:48 UTC  

Yeah Haiti was a shit show and they weren't actually giving the resources to the people, so that's different from what your hypothetical was.

2019-01-24 10:34:00 UTC  

But my point is the same thing happens in government if not worse.

2019-01-24 10:35:09 UTC  

Maybe I didn't understand your hypothetical.

2019-01-24 10:35:34 UTC  

My point is sure, some people will pretend to give aid but at least if they're doing it with private funds then it's their own money, not tax payer dollars.

2019-01-24 10:36:06 UTC  

Or I suppose it's the funds of their donors or whatever nefarious source but that's another subject really.

2019-01-24 10:36:13 UTC  

it's beside the point

2019-01-24 10:36:16 UTC  

I think having A solution would be good for now. Younare worried about which solution is most efficient, delaying the response.

2019-01-24 10:36:49 UTC  

The Patriot Act was a fast response.

2019-01-24 10:37:19 UTC  

Sure govt might be corrupt. But fiximg the problem is worth more than the cost of the corruption

2019-01-24 10:38:30 UTC  

So you want the US government to take control of the situation to set things straight?

2019-01-24 10:38:55 UTC  

Cost/benefit, I don't mind the corruption, I do mind people forming more caravans.

2019-01-24 10:39:29 UTC  

I think it is worth the trouble

2019-01-24 10:40:33 UTC  

How much money would you put on it?

2019-01-24 10:41:16 UTC  

Enough to feed people the bare minimum in rice to survive.

2019-01-24 10:41:43 UTC  

Nothing fancy

2019-01-24 10:41:49 UTC  

Send grain

2019-01-24 10:42:10 UTC  

I meant how much money would you bet.

2019-01-24 10:42:23 UTC  

That your idea would work.

2019-01-24 10:42:23 UTC  

Oh

2019-01-24 10:42:50 UTC  

I dunno, how much is all that rice worth? Lol

2019-01-24 10:43:10 UTC  

I would bet a lot

2019-01-24 10:43:17 UTC  

Depends on how long it takes them to sort their own shit out.

2019-01-24 10:43:24 UTC  

Theoretically there's no limit.

2019-01-24 10:43:32 UTC  

It would not be the optimum solution but it would get done

2019-01-24 10:44:07 UTC  

And if it takes too long, assassination is always useful