As I said before, the state should not be the one to fix Venezuela, it should have a minor role that encourages market forces and charity to do the work.

Self-determination means the freedom to make mistakes.

Venezuelans have to fix venezuela

exactly

the state needs to step aside, not take an interventionist lead

The problem is that with Maduro and his people they can't

yep

But they can't without a basic economy

And if the military does jackshit they're fucked

Yeah

Though loyalties sound undetermined for military

That's why interventionist might be needed

it all down to who the military sided with and if the US decides to come in from the side line

The problem is most higher ups are corrupt as well

We will offer humanitarian aod like food, I am sure

Aid

My fundamental belief is just that taxpayer dollars should always go towards national interests. Charity and humanitarian aid should come from donations. This keeps the government much more responsible with its use of funds.

Humanitarian causes sound nice, but they're prone to lots of corruptions.

Loads, actually.

It is national interest to keep their countrt from collapsing

That's true, but you could strike a nice deal with Venezuelan oil

think in all cases norway did go over it aid programs they did end up finding insane level of corruption

How many caravans would come?

I thought you were saying the US should provide humanitarian aid, Ender.

It should. Because it is in our national interest

To prevent refugee crises

That's the type of governance that I'm saying is prone to corruption.

The state should not take that role.

At least in Venezuela there has been a refugee crisis for years. But it has mostly affected neighboring countries

It will be our problem sooner or later. The question is, deal with it sooner, or later?

The role of the state should be to create the optimal conditions for market forces and and charity to do the work.

Also the role of the state to do what is necessary at short notice

You mean emergency response?

Aid is self defense in this scenario. And yeah basically

Yeah, sure I agree with that. Enforce laws, handle emergencies, fight crime and violence, punish contract violations etc, but the US should not do those things, Venezuelans should.

Think of it this way. Would you rather the Army handing out MREs or the Clinton Foundation handing out 'aid' to the government?

Of course if a Venezuelan and American company have a legal dispute then the US government has a role in that, and we should enforce the fairness of both Venezuelan companies as well as our own.

Or rather, both countries should seek to ensure that all parties are honoring the laws of each country.

If the Clinton foundation wants to give food to people that's fine.

Venezuelancannot ensure anything right now. And remember Haiti?

I'd rather that then empower the state to do fancy things with how it allocates funds.