that is again a criticism of the person

Putting in flawed data, adapting the results.

The scientific method is only as good as the one using it.

there is a reason we try to review science and see if results can be reproduced

I'm not disagreeing with you

Though what good is that if another flawwed person with the same influences does it? Or uses the same flawed data?

but you are not really countering my argument that there is knowledge and there is ignorance - that you want to call one spiritualism does not magically make it outside of future observation technology

then you produce poor science, and someone else will come along and produce something better

not really a criticism of the method

Lol. Your failing to see the point but whatever. Stand on that hill.

As for future tech to observe things like post death conciousness, that is severe whataboutism. Especially since modern materialist scientists have no interest. Its doubtful future ones will.

your point did not address my criticism of your notion that some things cannot be observed

how is it whataboutism?!

science does not claim to know everything at this instant

religion often does

Your assuming the future will change where material will care.

Actually a good part of religion is that no one has all the answers

why should I not assume the future will change?

science brings progress, it is ludicrous to assume stagnation

Why should you assume something that massive would?

Its not stagnation.

Its a core principle about materialism

you say something will never happen, I say it might

It all boils to whataboutism

where does your certainty stem from?

Until the pendulum moves

it boils down to you asserting something without evidence

and me questioning this

it is that simple

it is not whataboutism

Your asserting something as well. That materialism will suddenly care about something unobservable, and falls fully under spiritualism. Which is contrary to what materialism is at its core. Without that care tech will never develop. Ergo, your assertions are far more grandios than mine, and falls fully under whataboutism fallacies.

how can you know it is unobservable?

you claim there is a dichotomy between spiritualism and materialism, I dismiss this as there is no evidence for it, and posit instead there is knowledge and there is ignorance

you claim something can never be observed, I say I am doubtful

I think you're also just flinging out wordsalad at this point

Science has already said somethings cannot be observed. Like moments before the big bang because things like physics break down.

Your dichotomy of ignorance and knowledge is also flawed, because ignorance is seen as a negative. I wouldnt call it a dichotomy of spiritualism and materialism. But more of a symbiosis. The dichotomy would be "knowledge" (formed of both materialist and spiritualist) and ignorance

there is you claiming that something is forever unobservable, I'm saying that is nonsense. People thought gravitational waves were unobservable, that they might not exist, we developed a way to observe them.

So because i disagree with you, its wordsalad?

Via mathimatics....i doubt mathimatics will aid in this

scientists, with their current knowledge, have said they do not know how to observe something before the big bang

that is not the same as saying "we will never know"

The key i was pointing is that it would take a massive shift of thinking. Gravity was observable, and so materialists delved into it. Post death would start with unobservable. Which is antimaterialist

how is this so hard to fathom?