Message from @desert hamster
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they wanted to do too much too fast
Actually the EU in itself is a horrid Idea. Read the founding documents
It was broken from the beginning
Unless your "Idea" of what the EU was meant to be is the romanticized BS that was spoon fed to people, and some still believe
EU was made to make a united states of Europe with a unelected ruling class like back when we did have kings
since people did not mingle enough to make federazation possible, they brought in the "new europeans" to make a new "master race"
if they have done it in lets say a 100 years, made it possible for real political blocks to form naturally
that actually represent the people of europe
I spit on people who compare the EU to the US. As fundamentally they are opposites. the US was built to be bottom up, where the EU was built top down.
then europe would become a political powerhouse of the world
@desert hamster Federalization is impossible in Europe
problems comes that EU is running out of time. they did not have a 100 years to wait, now they don't have 10 years
Yea Europe is far to devided to be federalized.
@desert hamster Do you think America had 50 states and stretched across the whole continent before we became a nation?
And the EU adopted far to many socialistic/protectionist ideals to survive a European Federalization.
even Germany is having huge problems keeping it together
@Fitzydog well it did have roughly 13...>_>
@Fitzydog yes, that is why integration should have been slowed until people felt a real sense of belonging to europe
But the key was the Nation was founded Bottom Up.
@desert hamster Wait, what?
india
With the flow of power. Granted that became muttled post Civil war.
has 1.3 billion people
china has 1.4 i think
the US was united in less then 100 years. a 100 years in Europe is a blink of an eye in the history books
usa has 350 million
I feel like people who think Europe can be a federation like the US, aren't familiar with US history
european nations have 50-60 million
largers ones at least
Or with European for that matter @Fitzydog
they need to stand united
It's not a numbers game dude
It's a culture thing
i know
No, you don't lol
that is why i think a federation at this time is not possible
Europe have over 3000 years of history, that is not something that goes away easy
@desert hamster There is a closer culture between Califorinia and New York, than France and Germany.
hmm
what about between rural montana and new york? 😃