Message from @Goblin_Slayer_Floki

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2018-09-09 22:06:33 UTC  

For some soy and vegan policies with your left agenda

2018-09-09 22:06:42 UTC  

what country is this? Neanderthalands?

2018-09-09 22:06:46 UTC  

Yes

2018-09-09 22:07:03 UTC  

Denmark's better

2018-09-09 22:07:05 UTC  

And thus the problem with a Parliamentary system.

You're voting for a party, not a person

2018-09-09 22:08:11 UTC  

we have not really had any functioning right wing, well ever becasue before ww2 the Queen was the chief, and after well ....

2018-09-09 22:09:00 UTC  

We do vote on people, but ultimately there needs to be a majority (party wise) in the chamber to allow the perty to fill the cabinet seats.

2018-09-09 22:11:53 UTC  

So what you're saying is: The people aren't in charge of determining the cabinet, the parties are.

2018-09-09 22:12:03 UTC  

Indeed

2018-09-09 22:13:44 UTC  

You can vote on a person, but that only counts towards the person in the rank of the party, so if you have a party who gets like 5 seats and everyone votes fro the number 6 that one will get the first seat. But ultimately the vote goes to the party to divy up the seats between them.

2018-09-09 22:14:25 UTC  

Democracy: We'll take your opinions into consideration. Possibly.

2018-09-09 22:15:27 UTC  

A Prime minister once said in an interview: "We do not have a Democracy, we have a Representative Democracy", a distinction many people do not even know exists.

2018-09-09 22:17:39 UTC  

Doesn't sound like it

2018-09-09 22:20:49 UTC  

Yea tho Merkle has been shown to not follow her party often

2018-09-09 22:22:14 UTC  

@Xenosural majority or a *union*

2018-09-09 22:22:22 UTC  

Which could include a losing party

2018-09-09 22:23:00 UTC  

That does read like how it is, if you disagree with the party you can have some issues. However quite a few people have left their parties in the last few cycles and have remained in their seat, mid term effectively removing a seat from the party.

2018-09-09 22:23:02 UTC  

And the fact you dont vote for pm to me is troubling

2018-09-09 22:23:44 UTC  

The PM usualy is the Lead face of the largest party

2018-09-09 22:23:54 UTC  

Like the uk you vote in parliment but the winner gets to name their own pm from the parliment

2018-09-09 22:24:11 UTC  

I prefer having a primary and vote for the head of state

2018-09-09 22:24:14 UTC  

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Technically, the US only does it out of tradition. We don't necessarily require the popular vote

2018-09-09 22:24:46 UTC  

The us doesnt require popular vote no. But our pres isnt reliant on the party wining the congress

2018-09-09 22:24:57 UTC  

We have a seperate vote for pres

2018-09-09 22:25:15 UTC  

Oh, no. But the office could be voted on enitrely by reps with no citizen input

2018-09-09 22:25:51 UTC  

Not technically. With the set up the people of each state vote. The majority win in each state gets the electors

2018-09-09 22:26:05 UTC  

With a couple exceptions who van split their electors

2018-09-09 22:26:38 UTC  

Still has zero congressional input

2018-09-09 22:27:28 UTC  

Right, what I meant was, that there's nothing requiring a state to give their citizens a ballot with presidential candidates names on it.

2018-09-09 22:27:30 UTC  

The two party system has otehr issues though, as evidenced while Obama was in office, did he not have an unprecedented ammount of executive orders, i remember articles from senators claiming they were unable to even speak to him, as he was working with a majority Republican senate? The only two sides makes finding a compromize very hard top do if people start running party lines.

2018-09-09 22:28:21 UTC  

With more parties and a defacto coalition to begin with, you alwasy have possible negotiations where not 50% hates the other 50%

2018-09-09 22:28:56 UTC  

not saying that 70 parties is a solution though lol

2018-09-09 22:28:57 UTC  

He didnt have an unprecented, but yes a lot. Many of which toed carlessly near illegal. The reson we are set up that way is a check and balance system. Something lacking in say the uk

2018-09-09 22:29:06 UTC  

@Xenosural Well, historically our two parties (which isn't even a requirement) have worked better together

2018-09-09 22:29:25 UTC  

But tbh the founders said parties at all are a death of a nation

2018-09-09 22:29:56 UTC  

Because party ideals begin to outwiegh the constituency needs

2018-09-09 22:30:30 UTC  

No more parties, only individuals, that would make election time crazy over here.

2018-09-09 22:30:33 UTC  

Rand Paul is a "republican", but just as a label. It's just a name, with nothing attached

2018-09-09 22:30:56 UTC  

Yea both our parties are made up of tons of sub parties

2018-09-09 22:31:09 UTC  

Just in defacto alliance when elections come