Principles generally are derived from the other 2

An objective truth, that covers most people's subjective experiences

People generally build their principles from the logical extension of their own morals and ethics

yes, so even principles are subjective

then

thats why we can't agree on things

or other people can't

principles have an internal rationale

Everything based past natural instinct can technically be subjective

if you assume premises, then you reason into principles

eg. the individual is best (liberal) would be a premise

or eg. ethnic identity is essential to human experience (ethno nationalist)

What is this new pink tag?

yeah, logic without objectives is just chaotic

@What Would Jack Conte Do? read the righteous mind.

Men's subjective experience with women in the Middle East is different than a Western man's, and their principles about it show that

like water contains hydrogen and oxygen - there's no why though, so you just randomly define everything for no reason whatsoever

i haven't read righteous mind 😛

probably get it on audiobook at some point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wND9goxDVrY

It's super good and it talks in depth about why you can't reason someone into a position when it comes to morality

I almost got bit by a rabid raccoon

I mean the raccoon furry here on the server lol

Oof

That's even worse

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But really what is this new pink tag?

weaver is a sadist

O.o

🤦🏻

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oof

@What Would Jack Conte Do? What I mean is, is that they won’t listen to moral arguments. To them the ethnostate is the moral end goal. Just like with any other utopian philosophies.

It’s like The Master in Fallout. You can’t convince him that The Unity isn’t the moral endgoal. You have to convince him as to why his utopia is impossible to achieve.

yeah they have different morals, so they don't see our morals

Not even. You can't convince someone of a moral argument with reason.

they have different premises for their principles

the only way you can see eye to eye with them is ethics, but they can make ours look stupid through mockery

You need to give then intuition of why there position is untennable.

so we have to communicate to them with their language

eg. use mockery against them