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Put two toddlers next to each other in a room of toys and snacks. 5 minutes and their ripping each other apart even though there is plenty for each. People might think theyre beyond that behaviour, but they're saying so while living in this system and even then contradicting themselves.

Anyone who compares adult humans to children is well on their way to authoritarian thinking

Adults are children who can reason. They have an extra tool. It doesnt mean they use it.

Already, you have undermined and shown disregard for the individual sovereignty owed to every man

This is the same thinking the Liberal Elites have with regard to their consituents. "They NEED me, a man of Reason, who is able to make decisions for them"

Flowery words to deflect from what I said while not adressing it. Your telling me that a world of violent and greedy people will magically sort itself out without ANY mold is ridiculous.

You make the assumption that the state actually solves those problems

If anything, the fact the state exists for nefarious people to use as a position of power, leads to more of that behavior

That's why you try to limit their power. Check ambitions against each other. You won't be able to do anything of the sort with the violent warlords an anarchy would produce in the first place. Its not pretty, its not perfect. But its real.

Why do you assume violent warlords are the alternative? What proof do you have?

Human history. Check any time a state collapses

And before any existed

I disagree, but I'm also not advocating for violent overthrow or collapse of any sort, which leads to failures in infrastructure and trade

Then how would you ever remove a state?

If a state is just violence surely you must destroy it in kind

It would be the moral and pragmatic thing to do

in 99% of most people's lives, the state has no impact on what goes on, other than being a minor nuisance

What's the difference if it just didn't exist?

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if the "government" were nothing more than the military, with the amount of name recognition you'd have with something like ADT, or your bank

99%? Dont pull numbers out your ass man. Government is all pervasive in almost everyone's life. Should it be less? We can talk. But removeing it entirely is not only unreasonably impossible but unlikely to help anyone.

The only problems it solves, are those it brings upon itself.

In your day to day life?

So murderers would catch themselves? Who wouldve thunk

At most, you go to the DMV like once a year. When else do you interact with the govt?

Oh come on, I've posted on here enough about private law you would know my argument for it

The business I work for is subject to government regulation. Pay government taxes. I follow government laws.

These are how I interact with government every day.

If I get robbed, I persecute the offender in a government court following government laws.

Every organization is subect to another organization. No one, nor any entity exists in a vacuum

Enough platitudes. It just muddles the water while saying nothing. I gave you how I interact with government. That's what you asked. If your gonna make a point, then make it.

I've made my point. There's alternatives for everything.

My point: Quit treating the gov't like some sacred cow that can't ever be questioned as to their effectiveness or legitimacy.

Always look for a better alternative.

I never said you couldnt criticize governments effectiveness or legitimacy. Stop dragging out Molineux talking points in contexts they dont apply. Im trying to debate if a complete lack of government would solve anything. I dont think it would. You do. And so far, youve said almost nothing that changes my mind beyond platitudes.

It would solve the constant back and forth nonsense we've been fighting against with authoritarians trying to subvert and undermine the sovereignty of individuals.

It's a temptive tool for people to use against others. It will ALWAYS be a temptation. People will ALWAYS try and twist the rules of the game so that they can more easily win

How to steal memes from Athens 101

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Lack of a state = trying to scoop up water with a strainer

or, herding cats lol

It will always be temptation. Correct. So in the anachist utopia, a man would be tempted to get his buddys together and declare himself king of the world, instituting his devine rule on anyone weak enough to be conquered.

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