Message from @Jabba

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2019-01-21 02:06:25 UTC  

by being white

2019-01-21 02:06:26 UTC  

it does not matter what the truth is

2019-01-21 02:06:44 UTC  

By being white and having no guilt

2019-01-21 02:08:06 UTC  

by being pro life

2019-01-21 02:08:22 UTC  

and not believing in "progress"

2019-01-21 02:09:49 UTC  

have you seen that documentary / bootleg of those vietnam veterans telling what they did there and how it changed them. it's tough shit to hear but it's also understandable when young men are put into the situation of ending someone's birthdays

2019-01-21 02:10:43 UTC  

which one?

2019-01-21 02:10:54 UTC  

there are a lot of them

2019-01-21 02:11:48 UTC  

it was like a city hall type, there were long tables and lot of veterans

2019-01-21 02:12:00 UTC  

from the early eighties maybe

2019-01-21 02:12:04 UTC  
2019-01-21 02:13:36 UTC  

🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢

2019-01-21 02:14:11 UTC  

they seem genuinely horrified talking about the brutality side of things, it's like they've compartmentalized it somewhere hidden and it surprises them when they try to remember

2019-01-21 02:14:58 UTC  

of course it could be a anti-war setup

2019-01-21 02:15:00 UTC  

it is interesting how different wars affected the generations

2019-01-21 02:15:24 UTC  

i feel today the battles happen at a greater distance

2019-01-21 02:15:54 UTC  

vietnam was more sneaking around in enemy infested vegetation, enough to turn anyone a bit ptsd

2019-01-21 02:17:38 UTC  

this might be a part of it

2019-01-21 02:35:51 UTC  
2019-01-21 02:40:09 UTC  

I swear we should just send the natives an ultimatum like "we'll give all land you have claim to under treaty that isnt occuped, and pay you for the occupied parts, but then you're fully independent nations. Or you can be annexed and payed for in full for all the land, distributed to all members of tribe individually and proportionality."

The current system obviously doesnt work for them. And I feel it just breeds more resentment while allowing them to pawn off responsibility for the state of their reservations.

2019-01-21 02:40:56 UTC  

I think we should leave out that first part, but otherwise yes.

2019-01-21 02:41:32 UTC  

they got conquered, it's a horrible thing but they went to war and lost. just fucking deal with it

2019-01-21 02:41:41 UTC  

Cause some mad lad would say fuck it and actually lay claim, in some cases, to entire states.

2019-01-21 02:41:55 UTC  

Why shouldnt they have the option to become independent? I suppose it would be tougher but it should be on the table. After all, there claim is they want their land back. Here you go.

2019-01-21 02:42:06 UTC  

Try telling the states that.

2019-01-21 02:42:21 UTC  

True

2019-01-21 02:42:39 UTC  

Im sure something could be worked out with the states.

2019-01-21 02:42:42 UTC  

New York, "oh yes, I'll happily give up the entirety of upstate New York some random 1/12 Iroquois wanker".

2019-01-21 02:42:59 UTC  

they are not getting their land back, it's not even in the realm of possibilities. black people actually have a legitimate cause but the native americans went to war by choice

2019-01-21 02:43:10 UTC  

^^

2019-01-21 02:44:19 UTC  

Errgh. I just hate the idea that its unwinnable. Either way were the bad guys without this option

2019-01-21 02:44:33 UTC  

Were either occupiers or rulers

2019-01-21 02:44:49 UTC  

No other choice

2019-01-21 02:44:53 UTC  

I think something like this would be good.
Option 1: Remain as you are, but maybe some renegotiations are in order.
Option 2: The thing you said about buying it all and distributing it as private property to tribe members.

2019-01-21 02:45:35 UTC  

And by buying it all I mean, their current reservations, not their claims to old territories they no longer have.

2019-01-21 02:46:58 UTC  

they have rich families too, those casinos don't pay taxes i think?

2019-01-21 02:47:04 UTC  

Considering were still paying back most of those treatys anyhow, we would probably have to work them in somehow

2019-01-21 02:47:13 UTC  

But yea

2019-01-21 02:49:00 UTC  

Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if we wouldve taken an Ottoman approach