Message from @Nerthulas
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I mean, to me the word objective means its universally true, as in its even true to non humans or robots or aliens.
nothing fulfils that definition of objective
Yeah, I think most things are subjective
no, literally nothing
at least
I can't think of anything
that would fulfil the definition of objective as you put it here
so my standard for 'objectivity' is quite a bit lower
it's worthless
I think thats only a problem if you try to over rationalise everything
Human beings have limits we all live fine with these limits its not a problem
So, liking big titty elf mages as opposed to the original origin of wizards as philosophers and alchemists is indicative of personality traits that our evolution drives us to dislike?
I would seriously doubt that hentai doujins are capable of inspiring the depth of emotion that like, a great work of classic literature is capable of inspiring
and that goes for all humans
"well there ***coooooould*** be someone where it was true"
the point is
the thing itself is consistent
and it is what produces the reaction - at least insofar as human brains are somewhat similar
I think the issue is that people mistake consistency for objectivity. These are still ultimately concepts that don't exist outside of our minds. There's nothing objective about them. I don't even fully beleive reality exists as we see it, but I don't think we can ever know.
google defines objective as "not dependent on the mind for existence"
or I mean
I get that
But it's still a dumb word to use.
my standard for objectivity is quite a bit lower, so the aesthetic objectivists have a good argument
so saying like "9/10 people agree" that doesn't fit google's definition.
its not a dumb word to use, people understand what you're talking about
if you want to be super strict about the definition of objective
then nothing meets it
because nothing is both mind-independent and comprehensible
Yeah, okay, I get that.
Okay so there is objective taste but not in a literal sense.
merriam webster "of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind"
independent of individual thought
So from a spiritualist or a materialist standpoint there are beauty standards that we regard as objectively good.
the point is that there is a ***really existing quality*** in great works of literature that is ***really capable*** of producing greater depth of emotion (whatever physical reality that corresponds to) in human beings
compared to a hentai doujin
There are hentai doujins that I beleive have emotional depth, though.
Only one, actually. Emergence.
yeah but its probably not the same
I mean