asymmetry where there's supposed to be symmetry is a sign of unhealthiness

thus ugly

so symmetry would be objectively beautiful

at the same time, though, randomness and chaos have their own beauty

the explosion of a firework, the billowing of a cloud

yeah, i'm talking about certain facets in nature and living organisms

and saying that unhealthiness means ugly is a very biological take on it like I said

yeah

definitely what makes a healthy human is attractive in its own regard

"healthy" people won't find Sloth from *Goonies* beautiful

there are mathematical ratios, and other things that consistently produce appreciation from humans for evopsych reasons

yeh

this consistency causes some people to claim that beauty is objective

If people disagree on what beauty is isn't that a sign that its subjective?

eh, its two ways of describing the same thing imo

yeah, but we discard the opinions of unhealthy ppl 🙂

i mean unhealthy

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sure

i can even make an evopsych reason for why fairer skin is more attractive than darker skin

it;s for the same reason that kitchens in high clas restaurants are all white

That's what I thought tbh. I'm not really sure what Kantbot is on about with this "taste is objective" nonsense but I do agree with his opinions on the current state of fantasy fiction.

and operating rooms

its a bit like the claim "words have no meaning because somebody somewhere *could* use a word to mean something totally different than what is understood by its use generally"

you should understand what people mean when they say taste is objective

they aren't strictly wrong

I think someone's taste can be indicative of certain desirable personality traits but this isn't the same as taste being objective.

its objective in the sense that humans consistently recognize that taste, and that taste is based in some evopsych reason

I mean, to me the word objective means its universally true, as in its even true to non humans or robots or aliens.

nothing fulfils that definition of objective

Yeah, I think most things are subjective

no, literally nothing

at least

I can't think of anything

that would fulfil the definition of objective as you put it here

so my standard for 'objectivity' is quite a bit lower