Ulster Scots are counted in as Irish

Simply because they lived in Ireland

Infact

Most of the prominent ”Irish”

Aren’t even Irish

As is noted here:
https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/whats-in-a-name/

Note that the author is Irish

But as is noted:

interesting

”[W]henever you hear about some famous “irish” person, like a scientist or an author, they’re more than likely to have anglo-irish or scots-irish ancestry.

for instance, if you look at this list on wikipedia of famous “irish” scientists (*chuckle*), the vast majority are or were either of scots-irish, old english, or anglo-irish background, not native irish. one or two were even partly or fully of some other ethnic background(s) (i.e. french huguenot and sephardic jewish). i can pick out only seven who are likely candidates for having a (mostly) native irish background: louis brennan, pádraig de brún, nicholas callan, aeneas coffey, richard kirwan (“one of the last supporters of the theory of phlogiston”), william dargan, and john philip holland — and i’m not so sure about dargan or holland (both of those surnames could be either british or irish). so that’s five to seven native irish out of a list of forty “irish”, and i bet most of you have never heard of any of them”

@Boniface We see the same pattern with Nobel Prize laureats, the great majority aren’t actually pure Irish

Interesting. I never knew that.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546920804244520961/662708160834043934/ENXHbtLWoAEh0ow.png

irish is a umbrella

celtic might be a better term

@neeber No

We already have good terms

And we see large differences between the Catholic and Protestant ”Irish” aswell

Since the protestants are more nordic derived

We see some interesting phenotypical differences

i am aware

grew up in scotland

Yes

the amount of cross pollination between scotland and ulster irish

very similar at this point

Ulster Scots

They’re not Irish

They are a mix between lowland scots

not counting the amount of irish that came over crossing generations

And northern bongs

They’re still not racially Irish

Similar to how the Norman upper classes in Ireland

Aren’t Irish

genetically but culturally irish

Roughly

Yes

interesting

the only experience i have of ulster wildlife is them coming over and destroying the city centre during a political campaign

they are scots but not really

now with the separatist political parties in scotland the divisions only going to grow this century