Message from @Sir Prize

Discord ID: 657414772811366421


2019-12-19 06:02:02 UTC  

very nice

2019-12-20 02:35:37 UTC  

So there is the
Upper class
Middle class:
1. Upper middle class
2. Middle middle class
3. Lower middle class
Working class
Underclass

2019-12-20 02:36:30 UTC  

Upper class being the ruling elite, so government officials, like senators, top ranking judges, generals, aristocracy, nobility etc

2019-12-20 02:37:06 UTC  

Who view themselves as fathers of the country, who look out for their “children’s” best interest

2019-12-20 02:37:26 UTC  

Middle class, especially the upper are they capitalists and merchants

2019-12-20 02:38:09 UTC  

They’re very individualistic and are internationalists, not really having a connection to the land, heritage and people

2019-12-20 02:38:34 UTC  

Their the ones who brought on the industrial revolution, these guys cause a lot of change

2019-12-20 02:39:14 UTC  

The middle middle and lower middle class are lower ranking versions of this, having lower ranking professions that don’t require manual labor.

2019-12-20 02:39:28 UTC  

Working class are patriotic and loyal to their nation state

2019-12-20 02:39:48 UTC  

They obviously have to do manual labor to be called this

2019-12-20 02:40:06 UTC  

Farmers, factory workers, etc

2019-12-20 02:40:57 UTC  

Western nation states militaries still recruit most of their soldiers from the working class

2019-12-20 02:41:28 UTC  

Then the under class are criminals, druggies, and unintegrated migrants

2019-12-20 02:41:35 UTC  

Homeless etc

2019-12-20 02:45:04 UTC  

That’s Michel Woodley’s hypothesis

2019-12-20 02:45:17 UTC  

Hasn’t been tested, but on the face of it, seems reasonable to me.

2019-12-20 02:45:25 UTC  

Of course it isn’t perfect

2019-12-20 02:51:36 UTC  

By and large I think that all checks out, though I'd splice it even finer. I see a:
0.1% (ultra-rich)
0.9% (rich)
9% (never need to budget)
65-90%
45/50-65%
25-45/50%
Bottom 25%

Middle and working class can blur. You can do well by traditional manual labor or be making 35k scraping by at an office job, so I try and look at income as a proxy. The real fun begins when that quarter of the population between 65 band 90 (like myself) start to feel that the system is bullshit. Get a few 1% and 9% defectors and you get real change

2019-12-20 02:54:07 UTC  

What’s interesting is that the upper class and working class are ethnocentric and traditionalist. So they’ll work together against the middle class. This is populism which is good when it comes to dragging the merchant class back into submission. However it can lead to authoritarian forms of government.

2019-12-20 02:54:19 UTC  

Though, I’m not against populism

2019-12-20 02:54:48 UTC  

Fuck I’d rather live under a aristocracy with a monarchy than this system

2019-12-20 02:55:22 UTC  

Because I’d have more faith in a king then bought out politicians

2019-12-20 02:55:49 UTC  

But yeah, the middle class was broken down into subsets because it does blur.

2019-12-20 02:56:36 UTC  

Upper class is owners of corporations, middle middle is the high white collar jobs/ professional jobs and lower is standard corporate office drone

2019-12-20 02:56:50 UTC  

Office drone is probably a moderate

2019-12-20 02:57:16 UTC  

Then you climb higher and higher, you get more shit libs and libertarians

2019-12-20 03:00:17 UTC  

Depends. You can get an alliance of the very top and very bottom, like happened in Persia during the Mazdakite revolt or often in Rome with the Emperors and the People against the Senatorial class. But just as often it's a slow rot, where people accept policies that at first only effect the underclass but gradually move up the food chain until eventually people find themselves in positions that they think they're better than. When that happens, what form the reaction takes depends on whether the Left or the Right seizes the narrative first.

And I'm too much of a republican to ever accept a monarchy or inherited aristocracy but at least with that there wouldn't be any pretense of "meritocracy," and people would at least *pretend* to care about more than quarterly earnings and hedonistic consumption.

2019-12-20 03:04:29 UTC  

Yes, problem is that the globalist, capitalist class has united. Who were going to do so before the workers ever would have btw. So they could just buy out the monarchy

2019-12-20 03:04:38 UTC  

Or overthrow him etc

2019-12-20 03:05:08 UTC  

Imagine it like a beehive, you need a balance of all of these classes

2019-12-20 03:05:16 UTC  

Not too much of one

2019-12-20 03:05:32 UTC  

Where they all put their interests and align them

2019-12-20 03:33:32 UTC  

True. No one has more class consciousness than the wealthy. I agree with the corporatist cooperative model but that requires keeping the potential plutocrats on a much shorter leash than anyone else, because (as the liberalization of the 70s-90s showed) they cause by far the most destruction when broken loose from the bonds of the nation.

2019-12-20 03:36:53 UTC  

This was the cuckservatives biggest mistake. Thinking that you could ever have a stable and cohesive society while forcefully pushing a globalist, individualistic, "disruptive" economic force. It's a short and straight line between "fuck society it's my money" and "fuck society I'll identify as/marry who/do whatever I please."

2019-12-20 03:56:19 UTC  

Absolutely, Charlie Kirk hasn’t read the studies on ethnic diversity. Shit libs assume its good, he assumes it doesn’t matter. Both of these positions are wrong

2019-12-20 03:57:05 UTC  

Genetic similarity theory clearly shows that people discriminate and self segregate and have assorted mating

2019-12-20 03:57:16 UTC  

Again with the beehive analogy

2019-12-20 03:57:25 UTC  

Bees will discriminate