Message from @Boniface

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2020-01-06 22:47:34 UTC  

@Wan6Saber yes it works. It is still superfluous, that was my actual point.

2020-01-06 22:49:47 UTC  

Yeah but still

2020-01-06 22:51:40 UTC  

anway

2020-01-06 22:52:29 UTC  

I think different humans use different strategies to increase survivability and its not always predictive capability

2020-01-06 22:55:01 UTC  

can you give an example of a non-predictive survival strategy?

2020-01-06 22:56:56 UTC  

only, it's possible I'm hung up on this one dimension of humans at the mo, and can't see further than my nose.

2020-01-06 22:58:37 UTC  

I guess its a matter of definition. I think humans strive for a balance between predictability and novelty

2020-01-06 22:59:06 UTC  

If you stay at home things can be very predictable, but it might not be as productive as going in the wilderness and bringing back food

2020-01-06 22:59:15 UTC  

lol. I don't think many humans strive for any kind of balance.

2020-01-06 22:59:59 UTC  

high productivity= high predictability, how is this not so?

2020-01-06 23:00:03 UTC  

we strive for plenty of balance. Getting enough sleep but not too much, eating enough food but not too much

2020-01-06 23:00:33 UTC  

because there are high rewards for exploring the unknown

2020-01-06 23:01:16 UTC  

have you seen *humans* lately? they look as balanced as weebles.

2020-01-06 23:01:43 UTC  

Weebles wobble but they won't fall down

2020-01-06 23:01:58 UTC  

I think most of human psychology has roots that date far before modern times.

2020-01-06 23:02:12 UTC  

I agree

2020-01-06 23:02:40 UTC  

So I don't think saying like. "dude x in modern times has a problem, therefore being like dude x is ideal"

2020-01-06 23:03:07 UTC  

if anything, dude x having a problem is a sign he's not living an optimal lifestyle

2020-01-06 23:03:10 UTC  

he's off balance

2020-01-06 23:03:16 UTC  

he's out of his element

2020-01-06 23:03:24 UTC  

his body is seeking a balance that it is not recieving

2020-01-06 23:05:00 UTC  

in other words, someone being out of balance and suffering for it is not proof that we don't need balance

2020-01-06 23:06:06 UTC  

I might suggest that *imbalance* has been increasing since the Industrial Revolution; prior to this point imbalanced individuals would likely not have succeeded in passing on their genes.

2020-01-06 23:06:54 UTC  

yeah, and this causes a malaise because as balance seeking animals not finding out balance is causing us problems

2020-01-06 23:07:20 UTC  

but we clearly aren't seeking balance.

2020-01-06 23:07:44 UTC  

otherwise the trend would be in the opposite direction.

2020-01-06 23:08:11 UTC  

Balance is not innate, all forms of life are maximisers.

2020-01-06 23:08:32 UTC  

our balance seeking mechanisms have likely been functioning for millions of years, its not adapted to the radical changes that have been happening in the last centuries.

2020-01-06 23:09:16 UTC  

life does not seek balance, it exploits every niche it can, why would humans be exceptional?

2020-01-06 23:09:38 UTC  

because that statement is false?

2020-01-06 23:09:47 UTC  

it is?

2020-01-06 23:10:13 UTC  

ok, we'll take one factor

2020-01-06 23:10:22 UTC  

try to survive without seeking balance of temperature

2020-01-06 23:10:41 UTC  

we'll maximise temperature, get it hotter and hotter, see how well you survive lol

2020-01-06 23:11:13 UTC  

I could take off my clothes? jump in a pool?

2020-01-06 23:11:39 UTC  

wait

2020-01-06 23:11:39 UTC  

some humans actually live in deserts.

2020-01-06 23:11:46 UTC  

why take your clothes off

2020-01-06 23:11:49 UTC  

why jump in a pool

2020-01-06 23:11:53 UTC  

sounds like you want

2020-01-06 23:11:56 UTC  

a balance?