Message from @Boniface

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2020-01-06 23:03:16 UTC  

he's out of his element

2020-01-06 23:03:24 UTC  

his body is seeking a balance that it is not recieving

2020-01-06 23:05:00 UTC  

in other words, someone being out of balance and suffering for it is not proof that we don't need balance

2020-01-06 23:06:06 UTC  

I might suggest that *imbalance* has been increasing since the Industrial Revolution; prior to this point imbalanced individuals would likely not have succeeded in passing on their genes.

2020-01-06 23:06:54 UTC  

yeah, and this causes a malaise because as balance seeking animals not finding out balance is causing us problems

2020-01-06 23:07:20 UTC  

but we clearly aren't seeking balance.

2020-01-06 23:07:44 UTC  

otherwise the trend would be in the opposite direction.

2020-01-06 23:08:11 UTC  

Balance is not innate, all forms of life are maximisers.

2020-01-06 23:08:32 UTC  

our balance seeking mechanisms have likely been functioning for millions of years, its not adapted to the radical changes that have been happening in the last centuries.

2020-01-06 23:09:16 UTC  

life does not seek balance, it exploits every niche it can, why would humans be exceptional?

2020-01-06 23:09:38 UTC  

because that statement is false?

2020-01-06 23:09:47 UTC  

it is?

2020-01-06 23:10:13 UTC  

ok, we'll take one factor

2020-01-06 23:10:22 UTC  

try to survive without seeking balance of temperature

2020-01-06 23:10:41 UTC  

we'll maximise temperature, get it hotter and hotter, see how well you survive lol

2020-01-06 23:11:13 UTC  

I could take off my clothes? jump in a pool?

2020-01-06 23:11:39 UTC  

wait

2020-01-06 23:11:39 UTC  

some humans actually live in deserts.

2020-01-06 23:11:46 UTC  

why take your clothes off

2020-01-06 23:11:49 UTC  

why jump in a pool

2020-01-06 23:11:53 UTC  

sounds like you want

2020-01-06 23:11:56 UTC  

a balance?

2020-01-06 23:11:58 UTC  

😮

2020-01-06 23:12:00 UTC  

not too hot

2020-01-06 23:12:01 UTC  

not too cold

2020-01-06 23:12:34 UTC  

only because that balance maximises my predictive capability 😉

2020-01-06 23:13:15 UTC  

no, it stops you from dying directly

2020-01-06 23:13:20 UTC  

I am concluding that balance is often a way to maximise predictability

2020-01-06 23:13:37 UTC  

its a bit silly to be like "why don't you want to get shot in the head" "because muh predictive capability"

2020-01-06 23:13:55 UTC  

people have survived being shot in the head though

2020-01-06 23:14:15 UTC  

there are odds involved

2020-01-06 23:15:47 UTC  

If I don't strike a balance between putting my face in front of a loaded gun and not doing so, if I favour *never* putting my face in front of a loaded gun I maximise the odds of not getting shot in the face.

2020-01-06 23:17:17 UTC  

Alright, look at it this way

2020-01-06 23:17:37 UTC  

Lets say you can maximise your odds of not getting shot in the face by not leaving your house.

2020-01-06 23:17:49 UTC  

You are paying a price for that level of safety.

2020-01-06 23:17:57 UTC  

yes, food delivery

2020-01-06 23:18:16 UTC  

sorry, I may be too baked for this debate now....

2020-01-06 23:18:34 UTC  

You have a lot to gain by leaving the house but you face risks from getting shot, getting in a car accident, getting sick, etc

2020-01-06 23:18:39 UTC  

alright lol

2020-01-06 23:19:35 UTC  

can prolly vc for a bit

2020-01-06 23:20:22 UTC  

fk it I'm watching sc2 videos