@Fénius Farsaid the idea counts for nothing is the people who are following the leader do not see somthing in the leader that they see in themselves. They see the potential not the potential of the idea

it is a criminalization of mutual arrangements enforced by state power

pure and simple

@Nerthulas What?

what do you mean 'what'

that's what it is

I literally don't know how that's relevant

@vicmaxim Their perception of the potential is, in itself, an idea.

do you know what a dry town actually is

An idea of what could be

Yes

A government of a limited number of people pass legislation to prohibit consensual business transactions without the consent of the majority

An ideal, more specifically

What's this about tavarns?

@Fénius Farsaid we're getting off topic

@Leaf I'm referring mainly to covenants.

I'm not

Same thing tbh

They can be governed the same

Your whole argument is that prohibition is ineffective and this has been disproven

@Fénius Farsaid my point is if your leader was a fat ass chick with no character spouting libertarian bs all day and night. nobody would follow her

in a dry county, a person could NOT build a building on their own dime, and sell it to a company who would then turn it into a bar

that would be an illegal action

@Leaf No, it is absolutely ineffective.

do you understand that?

@Nerthulas Yes.

@Fénius Farsaid no matter how much they love the idea

It has worked on most occassions

@vicmaxim I don't know why I would ever disagree with that.

okay, then that is not a voluntary system

In which way were the policies I listed ineffective?

@Weaboo Kempeitai

It is

how is it a voluntary system

Yet it is still ideas in themselves that the majority of people follow.

Their idea as to how something is, or how something should be

it is the criminalization of a mutual arrangement by a government

Typically initiated by their idealistic conception of leadership of some kind

@Fénius Farsaid great than understand that if an idea does not serve the people it is useless. The people are the center of everything. The idea is only a tool to serve the people

what if a group of us, voluntarily, decided to create a type of rule?

im done here