If there's any area that separates us from animals, spiritually, it's philosophy.

it ahs become true

So if a person is willing to engage in philosophy, I'll give them more credit.

Ive reached that conclusion too

If when you challenge their presuppositions they shut down and repeatedly refuse to engage, I count them as animals.

Basically

Id give christians more credit too if they viewed their religion more as a philosophy than some magical force

jut more incel cope

yes, but you've changed to that

everyone shuts down when you challenge their presuppositions

as a defense mechanism

@fuguer when they cant rationalize their presuppositions

I am joking btw

i agree i see most people as just sophisticated animals.

@fuguer no

we're not as special as we think we are

Philosopher's don't

Not real ones

They entertain other presuppositions

Other systems

Challenges

etc

Doesn't mean they accept them

But they suspend, bracket, and engage

Yeah but most people aren’t great thinkers

Thereby they can grow unlike most humans

They possess *mind*, in the Aristotelean sense.

A rare faculty amongst the mass.

So, when I'm generous I consider all those to be proto-humans

@WWM can you grow with only a bias forcing you

not the urge to think

what

Can we grow with bias forcing us?
Rather than the positive impetus to think?

yes

not to entertain other thoughts

whatever, I was (mostly) just joking

So, bias being tradition, cultural impositions, etc?

yes

and I say mostly because I believe there is a small amount of cope in there

lol

instinct too