Message from @Nerthulas

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2019-10-30 02:32:24 UTC  

at my job, i get to put the "made in the USA" sticker on the shit i make

2019-10-30 02:32:25 UTC  

Of course you'd question Chinese IQ stats. I'm assuming you think China had these IQ lead for quite a while.

2019-10-30 02:32:32 UTC  

china also has a very brutal and repressive history of purges, and is highly traditional, which makes it harder for them to innovate

2019-10-30 02:32:39 UTC  

well discovery and colonization of the Americas was a huge economic boost too

2019-10-30 02:32:42 UTC  

the Europeans outstripped the Chinese probably because of a combination of material and cultural factors, and possibly that at high levels, IQ does not properly predict the developmental potential of a society

2019-10-30 02:32:53 UTC  

@Roko, show me this debunking. Also, it does not require tabula rasa. You don't know historical materialism.

2019-10-30 02:33:07 UTC  

@Nerthulas, yet it does in the case of China and Africa?

2019-10-30 02:33:13 UTC  

think of genetics as your PC hardware... having a better PC will help you play a game better, but thats not the only factor

2019-10-30 02:33:27 UTC  

so

2019-10-30 02:33:30 UTC  

think of culture as the players skill

2019-10-30 02:33:32 UTC  

@BabygottBach so you admit that differenceces in ability between humans (and races) are largely heritable/mediated by genes?

2019-10-30 02:33:32 UTC  

are asians the best gamers

2019-10-30 02:33:36 UTC  

Which other continent was subjugated by another continent, @DOGPILLED?

2019-10-30 02:33:36 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638928464082370574/IMG_20191030_033319.jpg

2019-10-30 02:33:40 UTC  

think of other factors as starting position, teammates, luck, etc

2019-10-30 02:33:46 UTC  

they all matter

2019-10-30 02:33:49 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638928516296998922/1572296163776.png

2019-10-30 02:33:50 UTC  

@Roko, it's mostly envrionmental.

2019-10-30 02:33:51 UTC  

zzzz

2019-10-30 02:33:52 UTC  

but over time, luck will average out

2019-10-30 02:33:52 UTC  

yes, its possible that there is a complexity to intelligence which exists at a very high level which does not exist at lower levels

2019-10-30 02:33:56 UTC  

anyone esle tired

2019-10-30 02:33:59 UTC  

sleepy

2019-10-30 02:34:13 UTC  

@fuguer, when I look at the massive swings in history, I see no average.

2019-10-30 02:34:18 UTC  

but I am not purely a genetic determinist on the matter of the enlightenment and IR

2019-10-30 02:34:30 UTC  

@BabygottBach the average heritability for any given trait is 50 percent. Some like iq are heritable upwards of 85 percent.

2019-10-30 02:34:40 UTC  

thats because the averge condition isnt what they teach in school

2019-10-30 02:34:46 UTC  

I think material and cultural factors played a role in why the West had such an explosion of development first

2019-10-30 02:34:47 UTC  

they teach the extraordinary, the revolutions

2019-10-30 02:34:48 UTC  

@Nerthulas, that's a copout

2019-10-30 02:35:05 UTC  

we always pay attention to the exceptional, not the mundane

2019-10-30 02:35:33 UTC  

it's genes when it confirms your racist biases of dumb black chimps, but more complicated when the same sorts of logic would lead to a debunking.

2019-10-30 02:35:38 UTC  

i dont understand how you can argue culture doesnt matter, surely you agree it must, you just think it only matters x%?

2019-10-30 02:35:44 UTC  

Yeah, imagine having to learn about all the mundane in school

2019-10-30 02:36:17 UTC  

@fuguer, even if you look at the mundane, what is mundane in one period experiences massive shifts.

2019-10-30 02:36:28 UTC  

The balance of power in the world has seen huge movements.

2019-10-30 02:36:31 UTC  

so you dont think culture matters?

2019-10-30 02:36:40 UTC  

Culture is a surface level effect

2019-10-30 02:36:41 UTC  

@BabygottBach no, its your liberal bias that prevents you from seeing reality for what it is, because it would make you be "racist" I'm notn racist by the way, I have a black friend.

2019-10-30 02:36:43 UTC  

it's not the cause.