Message from @Leaf

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2019-10-30 02:57:05 UTC  

@fuguer my view is that there is no genetic environment scheme. It’s that genes react to the environment to make a trait.

2019-10-30 02:57:11 UTC  

you can't make informed decision without correct data

2019-10-30 02:57:23 UTC  

@Leaf, are wildcats of the same species as men?

2019-10-30 02:57:30 UTC  

No, and?

2019-10-30 02:57:55 UTC  

why do you place such weight on the species classification, its quite arbitrary

2019-10-30 02:57:55 UTC  

if you cancel white man the exponential population growth will collapse back to reasonable numbers. If you want to be one of the chosen prep yourself or your progeny

2019-10-30 02:57:59 UTC  

There are never genetic variations within species which impact behaviour?

2019-10-30 02:58:07 UTC  

So why bring them into a discussion about human history?

2019-10-30 02:58:21 UTC  

if we treated "humans" like other forms of life there would be lots of different sub species, at least three

2019-10-30 02:58:34 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638934745769574420/images.png

2019-10-30 02:58:36 UTC  

Are individuals with, for example, hereditary disease, indistinct in ability and behaviour from other individuals free of such disease? @BabygottBach

2019-10-30 02:58:38 UTC  

@Nerthulas, no come on, explain that reaction.

2019-10-30 02:58:39 UTC  

we are not created equal

2019-10-30 02:58:40 UTC  

objective scientific data

2019-10-30 02:58:40 UTC  

<:JFGOD:439598359628611604>

2019-10-30 02:58:53 UTC  

With your cheap, copout nuance, @Nerthulas

2019-10-30 02:59:05 UTC  

species classification really is a minor issue because some have higher reproductive rates and other are lower it doesn't change the philosophy that drove the population growth to unsustainable levels

2019-10-30 02:59:07 UTC  

Genes when it serves us, culture and environment when it doesn't

2019-10-30 02:59:08 UTC  

Equal by what metric?

2019-10-30 02:59:13 UTC  

@BabygottBach do you understand that there is a continuum of life, and that 'species' is a relatively arbitrary designation?

2019-10-30 02:59:16 UTC  

Are individuals with, for example, hereditary disease, indistinct in ability and behaviour from other individuals free of such disease? @BabygottBach

2019-10-30 02:59:22 UTC  

culture and environment are genes

2019-10-30 02:59:26 UTC  

@Nerthulas you mean like race?

2019-10-30 02:59:26 UTC  

Son of a gun the tag didn't work

2019-10-30 02:59:40 UTC  

until you understand that genes make culture and environment, you will never get anywhere

2019-10-30 02:59:44 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638935040398589965/xKNUo04mzNGc4TxzEZtLukhPViz7LA-6-QzPgXhW1nI.png

2019-10-30 02:59:45 UTC  

to really understand this chart you need to know how PCA works..... geneetic differences can be considered as an extremely high dimensional vector space. no way to visualize. principal component analysis breaks this down and projects it into 2 dimensions like a shadow. PCA1 is the most significant variation. PCA2 is the 2nd most significant variation that's orthogonal to the first. you cant compare scale between X and Y theyre different units. WE see here that african genetics are on a completely different level compared to all other human races on PC1, the most significant axis.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638935042768502795/indo1.png

2019-10-30 02:59:54 UTC  

yes, race is a relatively arbitrary designation, you can draw races wide or small, specific or broad

2019-10-30 02:59:59 UTC  

@Str3tch, what makes genes?

2019-10-30 03:00:04 UTC  

hey, where did GENES come from?

2019-10-30 03:00:10 UTC  

East Asians have higher intelligence, Africans have higher height. Neither is superior to, or equal to the other.

2019-10-30 03:00:19 UTC  

I guess genes created the big bang.

2019-10-30 03:00:22 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638935199245402133/4ca52bc4b7ba86f31de2f0df0eda727d.png

2019-10-30 03:00:27 UTC  

Genes create environment, after all

2019-10-30 03:00:30 UTC  

@BabygottBach u <:kekboi:417880491182653450>

2019-10-30 03:00:35 UTC  

the environment and culture is the output of other ppl's genes

2019-10-30 03:00:41 UTC  

Where

2019-10-30 03:00:42 UTC  

did

2019-10-30 03:00:43 UTC  

the reality is that there is a continuum of related living organisms who differ in traits, and that we can draw circles around groups of organisms with some level of similarity

2019-10-30 03:00:45 UTC  

genes

2019-10-30 03:00:46 UTC  

genes can shape environment and environment shapes genes